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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 04.03.2019, 14:13
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I've been in IT for top tier banks my whole life(big $$ thrown in IT) and the code everywhere looks like a piece of s**t written by a monkey.


The fact that you think humans can write AI to treat cancer makes me laugh without stop. We're at least 2-3 decades away from something remotely close to that, let's see how the tidepod eating, multi-gender generation does first as these days 'experts' in the UK and US are treated like criminals.(Brexit, Trump etc)


I suspect we'll have a few years where the world will be closer to the movie Idiocracy rather than Interstellar.
and lets not forget the billions spent trying to make cars autonomous, just as long as its not sunny, or raining, or snowing, or dark, and nothing in front of you is the same colour as the sky etc etc etc.

Are the leavers finally waking up to what it means yet? hope ya'll enjoy your chlorine washed chicken (read up why they need do that) and your sunday beef joint that's been pumped full of steroids and antibiotics.

If the uk want trade deals they are going to have to bend over for everyone.

There are very good reasons why USA foods and farming practices are banned in the EU, I'm sure uk farmers are jumping for joy! eu subsidies down the toilet now the prospect of mass produced, low quality, questionable standards CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP meat imports, Idiocracy indeed.
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Old 04.03.2019, 14:43
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I don't believe it's a lack of interest. It's been pretty much a given for a long time, as you can see here....

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/sta...15225827024896

Doesn't make it right, but there are bigger fish to fry, and less than 20 days to do it in.

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...90128150335488
Lots of things are forecast but now this cr#p deal proposal is real!

Another court case; what a c#ckup is this whole Brexit deal

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And they say those fighting Brexit are the 'elites' - when we all know this is what this is all about.



https://news.sky.com/story/amp/gover...7vpHGKPcKteIlk
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Tax transparency for overseas territories, hmm sounds legit. Does that include British off-shore zones?
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Old 04.03.2019, 19:03
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'The amendment, tabled by Labour MP Margaret Hodge and Tory MP Andrew Mitchell, would have forced the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands to publish a register of beneficial owners for all companies based in the low-tax Crown dependencies.

Unsurprisingly, the amendment quickly gained the backing of the Labour Party, the SNP, the Greens and the Lib Dems. However, former Tory Cabinet ministers Ken Clarke, David Davis and Sir Oliver Letwin also indicated their support, making the possibility of it passing almost inevitable.

But now, with almost certain defeat looming, Theresa May has decided to pull the bill entirely.'
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Old 05.03.2019, 10:14
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Don't let smears about US farms trap Britain into the EU’s Museum of Agriculture

This week the United States published our objectives for a future trade deal with the UK. We are now ready to negotiate the most ambitious and comprehensive trade deal in the history of our special relationship. And of course we want agriculture to be part of those negotiations – it is a great opportunity for both of us.

But the British public has been led to believe otherwise. You have been presented with a false choice: either stick to EU directives, or find yourselves flooded with American food of the lowest quality. Inflammatory and misleading terms like “chlorinated chicken” and “hormone beef” are deployed to cast American farming in the worst possible light.

It is time the myths are called out for what they really are: a smear campaign from people with their own protectionist agenda. There is a difference between American and European agriculture. It is not a question of quality but philosophy.

The EU approach prizes history and tradition over innovation and science. In the United States, we look at the bigger picture. We have to. We export more food than any other country. We take our responsibility to produce safe, affordable food for the rest of the world incredibly seriously.

We cannot overlook the fact that the world population is expected to reach almost 10 billion by 2050. Global food security is absolutely critical. We have to face up to the full range of health, resource and environmental pressures that come from a growing population. It is not sustainable for the whole world to follow the EU’s “Museum of Agriculture” approach. We have to look to the future of farming, not just the past.

American farmers are using all the scientific and technological tools at their disposal to address the challenges ahead. We have developed crops which are more resistant to drought. We have bred innovative new varieties of fruit and vegetables which can stay fresh and help us combat food waste. We have boosted the ability of our animals to fight devastating diseases. We have developed agricultural tools which radically cut the amount of carbon emissions on our farms.

American farmers are making a vital contribution to the rest of the world. Their efforts deserve to be recognised. Instead, they are being dismissed with misleading scare-stories which only tell you half the story. The reality is, as ever, a lot more nuanced.

Take the case of so-called chlorinated chicken. It is true that we wash our chicken to eliminate harmful pathogens – just as European producers do with their fruit and vegetables.

There is very good reason for doing so. The EU’s own Food Safety Authority has found that doing these washes in the processing plant is the most effective and economical way of dealing with potentially lethal bacteria like salmonella and campylobacter. It is not only safe to wash our chicken like this – it is a public safety no-brainer.

American beef has also been unfairly attacked for decades. The EU claims the moral high ground for its choice not to use growth hormones in cattle production. But again, there are good reasons American farmers choose a different path.


They want to produce meat using fewer resources at a lower cost to both the environment and the consumer. The scientific consensus has been very clear that it remains completely safe to eat meat from animals raised in this way. There is no reason to limit imports of American beef – which is why the World Trade Organisation ruled we were fully within our rights to take action against the EU for not complying with its obligations.

The picture you are being painted of American agriculture bears no resemblance to the reality on the ground. The fact is that farmers in America have the same priorities as farmers in Britain. They pass on their farms from one generation to the next. They care deeply about their land and livestock and they take tremendous pride in the food they produce.

You will find the highest quality food in the world in the United States – from our wild salmon, to our world-beating wines, and beef used in only the finest restaurants. If you want food made to the highest standards of sustainability, animal welfare or organic farming, America can offer all of that.

It is always worth hearing the full story. It would be a genuine missed opportunity to buy into the idea that the EU’s traditionalist approach to agriculture is Britain’s only option for a quality and efficient agriculture sector moving forward. You now have the freedom to make your own choices about the way you farm and fish, the products you import, and the technology you utilise. This is the country that once changed the world with the innovations and revolutions that took place on British farms. You could do the same thing again now and together we could shape the agricultural revolution of the future.


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Old 05.03.2019, 10:23
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Loz, it's not like you to post rosy-tinted sycophancy, devoid of facts...

Reads like a cheesy corporate video text.
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Old 05.03.2019, 10:27
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Loz, it's not like you to post rosy-tinted sycophancy, devoid of facts...

Reads like a cheesy corporate video text.
But also to condem all American food production as 'sub-standard' is equally disingenuous.
As the post says, they have mass manufactured as well as the top quality, and consumers get the choice.

A bit like Europe.

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Old 05.03.2019, 10:28
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Toyota Group says no-deal makes it ‘extremely complicated’ to expand British factories so warning that new models may not be built in UK.
Seems Japanese auto manufacturers are doing a Jexit on the UK!
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But also to condem all American food production as 'sub-standard' is equally rubbish.
As the post says, they have mass manufactured as well as the top quality, and consumers get the choice.

A bit like Europe.
I didn't condemn anything. I was commenting on the über-glossy article posted by Loz. It almost comes across as "the lady doth protest too much".

I haven't seen any convincing article (I mean factually convincing rather than 1000 watts of "everything is awesome") that the UK will get any kind of workable deal from the US on food trading.
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@Loz

For people who do not want UK subject to the European Court of Justice there is an interesting section in the US proposal for a trade deal
- Preserve the ability of the United States to enforce rigorously its trade laws, including the antidumping (AD), countervailing duty (CVD), and safeguard laws.

- Strengthen existing procedures and create new procedures to address AD/CVD duty evasion, including the ability to conduct AD/CVD duty evasion verification visits.
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Reads like a cheesy corporate video text.
I'm just posting the other side of the story. I personally wouldn't choose to buy American meat, in the same way I refuse to buy prepackaged intensively raised chicken breasts now. I however have the luxury of being able to afford to pay for quality in the food that I buy, I'm aware that there are many that don't have that same luxury. The point is that people should have the choice of what they want to buy.

I found this point of particular interest as it's absolutely true:

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A more balanced article on the US poultry processing.

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Although there are some benefits to this chlorine washing, there are concerns about it. Some US abattoirs and processing plants rely heavily on chlorination because their other hygiene standards are so poor that they would be illegal in Europe. The process is also very good at removing odours and surface slime, meaning the meat can be passed off as fresh for much longer than it should be.

Chlorine isn’t toxic at the levels used in the washing process and doesn’t itself cause cancer. But studies have shown that the treatment can cause carcinogens such as semicarbazide and trihalomethanes to form in the poultry meat if the concentration of chlorine is high enough. The US Food Safety and Inspection Service does set limits to prevent this but there is always a risk they could be violated.
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I found this point of particular interest as it's absolutely true:
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We cannot overlook the fact that the world population is expected to reach almost 10 billion by 2050. Global food security is absolutely critical. We have to face up to the full range of health, resource and environmental pressures that come from a growing population. It is not sustainable for the whole world to follow the EU’s “Museum of Agriculture” approach. We have to look to the future of farming, not just the past.
Assuming that the population isn't wiped out by antibiotic resistance by then due to the ubiquitous use in meat... How ironic would that be?
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For people who do not want UK subject to the European Court of Justice there is an interesting section in the US proposal for a trade deal
- Preserve the ability of the United States to enforce rigorously its trade laws, including the antidumping (AD), countervailing duty (CVD), and safeguard laws.

- Strengthen existing procedures and create new procedures to address AD/CVD duty evasion, including the ability to conduct AD/CVD duty evasion verification visits.
It's a starting position before negotiations have even taken place. You do know what one of those is, right?
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How about we look at the food standards currently used to raise chickens in the glorious benevolent EU.



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Old 05.03.2019, 11:16
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The point is that people should have the choice of what they want to buy.
I'd be interested to see the signage on that if it hits the shelves. I already need a magnifying glass to read the print on packaging.

The UK has ever tightening labelling laws for food, plus many voluntary schemes. How the hell would you label it so that people really are making an educated choice?
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I'd be interested to see the signage on that if it hits the shelves. I already need a magnifying glass to read the print on packaging.

The UK has ever tightening labelling laws for food, plus many voluntary schemes. How the hell would you label it so that people really are making an educated choice?
I presume that any trade deal with the US will involve obfuscating the origin of their high density rearing and chlorine washing during labelling. Nobody in their right mind is picking that ahead of a locally sourced (or even nationally sourced) UK chicken.

This allowance of lower standard produce will of course rightly enrage UK farmers, who will no doubt get large subsidies to keep them on side. Which will annoy US importers, who will get....race to the bottom.
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Old 05.03.2019, 11:21
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so the rich get to eat 'nice' meat* and the poor get to eat total crap, nice.


* which really means the crap meat but in a nicer packet, come on we all know what companies are like where costs are involved its a race to the bottom, package crap as quality, job done, bonus anyone?

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There is no real choice, the industrial agriculture in US will make your choice very simple by striking deals with retailers and price-dumping. By suing bio farmers (because they cannot sue bees) over cross pollinated GMO crops the farmers never paid for (patent infringement). Feeding cows with corn, first infesting their stomachs with genetically modified bacteria, so poor things can digest sugars. Washing chickens and eggs with chlorine, because industrial farms are endemic for Salmonella. If US obesity epidemic is not an evidence of food quality and ‘choices’ that Americans have then I don’t know what is.
Meanwhile Food and Drug Administration looks on.
And then there is a small thing called taste of food. Several generations of Americans don’t know how natural strawberries, tomatoes, chicken or beef taste.
God forbid American food makes its way into EU or UK. By cancelling Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) Trump did a huge favor to EU, albeit unknowingly.
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How about we look at the food standards currently used to raise chickens in the glorious benevolent EU.
I'm struggling to see your point, Loz.

You post a syrupy sweet PR job from the Telegraph about the poor Americans and the bad publicity they are apparently getting for their dodgy meat processing but actually everything is awesome. However, as soon as you are challenged on it you jump in with the other, darker, end of the spectrum from the EU and how awful they are.

It just screams that you hate the EU and see absolutely nothing wrong with the US and you don't like being challenged on either viewpoint.

I'm amazed that someone who is so dead against being chained up with the EU is so ready and willing to schmooz into bed with the US when they hold all the cards and power over the UK.
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