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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 05.03.2019, 23:09
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Err nope. I’ve flown with Swiss people into the UK since 2003 and they’ve always joined me in the EU queue. No idea what airports you’ve been using. Channel Islands, maybe?
Heathrow about in 2003, my Swiss GF had to queue separately.

Edit having checked my Photobox account I would say as late as 2008 at Heathrow, I seldom visited the UK around that time, less than once a year on average.
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Old 05.03.2019, 23:21
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Heathrow about in 2003, my Swiss GF had to queue separately.

Edit having checked my Photobox account I would say as late as 2008 at Heathrow, I seldom visited the UK around that time, less than once a year on average.
Eh?

Pre 2008 I flew into Edinburgh, Manchester, Heathrow and City with Swiss passport holders and didn’t experience any separate queueing for them.

Just texted two of them to check and I still work with one of them and they recall the same. No idea why your GF thought it necessary to seek out a sifferent queue. How tedious were you on the flight..?
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I am talking about 1973 ...
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Old 06.03.2019, 04:14
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Actually, in modern history that's incorrect. The standard of meat has been the same, it's just the cuts of meat which vary in price and whether you can afford it so a slice of filet steak, while expensive and maybe only a regular choice of the better off, is still as safe to eat as a kilo of the cheap shin beef used in stews.
Not just the cuts, also the animal. Pork being cheaper than beef for example, and also more likely to make you obese when consumed to excess, which is why the poor are generally more likely to suffer from such conditions. Nothing new there really.
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Old 06.03.2019, 10:42
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Eh?

Pre 2008 I flew into Edinburgh, Manchester, Heathrow and City with Swiss passport holders and didn’t experience any separate queueing for them.

Just texted two of them to check and I still work with one of them and they recall the same. No idea why your GF thought it necessary to seek out a sifferent queue. How tedious were you on the flight..?
Exactly this. Kicked in in 2002 when the Bilaterals were agreed. I remember flying into the UK shortly after and noting the change.
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Old 06.03.2019, 10:51
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Exactly this. Kicked in in 2002 when the Bilaterals were agreed. I remember flying into the UK shortly after and noting the change.
Glad I'm not going mad.

I'm always amazed that Leavers seem happy to gaslight themselves with a distorted view of the past which suits the anti-EU agenda.
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Old 06.03.2019, 11:21
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wrong, the EU have quite high minimum standards, so no one should be eating crap meat*

The US has terrible, really really terrible minimum standards, eg chickens are crammed into barns with no windows and no need to clear the mess out before re-stocking the barn. Their whole short lives walking around in shit and dead birds never seeing daylight - totally illegal in the EU and UK.

*scandals aside
A nice summary of some of the points here https://www.soilassociation.org/our-...us-trade-deal/.

What I particularly love is that the US considers nutrition labelling a ‘barrier to trade’.

Even that summary misses a lovely substance called Ractopamine. A growth hormone promoting development of lean meat but with such side effects that it is banned by the EU, mainland China, Russia and almost 160 other countries but not in the US, Japan or North Korea.
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Old 06.03.2019, 11:45
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You won get over it, maybe?
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Old 06.03.2019, 11:48
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A nice summary of some of the points here https://www.soilassociation.org/our-...us-trade-deal/.

What I particularly love is that the US considers nutrition labelling a ‘barrier to trade’.

Even that summary misses a lovely substance called Ractopamine. A growth hormone promoting development of lean meat but with such side effects that it is banned by the EU, mainland China, Russia and almost 160 other countries but not in the US, Japan or North Korea.
It's a helpful part of their holistic plan to fully privatize UK medicine and cash in on all our chlorinated, hormone imbalanced fatties.
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For the pedants amongst us, a rather hefty 'breakdown' of the recently signed UK-CH deal here. I strongly advise to have a window open in Deepl

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The most important treaty relationship in the rollover so far: UK-Switzerland. Some quick thoughts, also on the Swiss-EU relationship, which is poorly understood (thread)
https://twitter.com/hhesterm/status/1103227613777145856

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Old 06.03.2019, 13:14
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

EU parliament debate on Monday morning "Who will protect citizens rights?" Fiona Godfrey of British in Europe (it's long but worth the watch):

https://www.facebook.com/britishineu..._comment_reply

Ball now firmly in EU court I'd say. Problem is, with exceptions you can count on your hands, they none of them give an actual damn

Whilst UK-CH is relatively safe, many of us are involved in cross-border services that are reliant on our EU citizenship and are therefore affected by citizens' rights and the Withdrawal Agreement
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https://www.facebook.com/PeoplesMome...8236930580212/

how difficult can they make registration???

My 80 year old French friend, widowed of her British OH- has no computer. She is severely handicapped due to breaking both femurs in a fall- cannot use public transport, has no car - and relies totally on a few friends. She is bewildered and terrified of what wil happen to her. She has nothing left in France ...
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Let's not forget that the below was backed by a Vote Leave press release on the same date which was signed by Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Priti (vacant) Patel & Gisela Stuart. Tusk was right. There is a special kind of hell....

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Let's not forget that the below was backed by a Vote Leave press release on the same date which was signed by Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Priti (vacant) Patel & Gisela Stuart. Tusk was right. There is a special kind of hell....

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I literally don't know how registration for EU citizens can be avoided, how else will there be a record of who was living in the UK pre-brexit and therefore has right to remain? All those yelling about how unfair this is were probably also ranting about how terrible it was that there were no proper records of the windrush generation. As long as people are not refused leave to remain after registration, I really don't see why it is an issue
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I wonder if anything is being done to protect the rights of EU/CH spouses of UK citizens, who currently live outside of the UK?

For example, my husband is Swiss. He can't now apply for UK citizenship through me as we don't currently live in the UK. What happens in future if we want to return to the UK? Will I have to meet earning requirements for a spousal visa for him?
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I literally don't know how registration for EU citizens can be avoided, how else will there be a record of who was living in the UK pre-brexit and therefore has right to remain? All those yelling about how unfair this is were probably also ranting about how terrible it was that there were no proper records of the windrush generation. As long as people are not refused leave to remain after registration, I really don't see why it is an issue
For the sake of correctness, the Windrush records existed until the Home Office shredded them.
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Will I have to meet earning requirements for a spousal visa for him?
Yes.
I'm in the same situation, but my partner has decided that he never wants to live in the UK again. Even if he did, I never earned the income required during my 32yrs working in the UK.
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For the sake of correctness, the Windrush records existed until the Home Office shredded them.
Solution is for the Home office to give each such citizen an official document confirming their rights; this does give them the obligation to keep it safely.
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I literally don't know how registration for EU citizens can be avoided, how else will there be a record of who was living in the UK pre-brexit and therefore has right to remain? All those yelling about how unfair this is were probably also ranting about how terrible it was that there were no proper records of the windrush generation. As long as people are not refused leave to remain after registration, I really don't see why it is an issue

I don't think anyone really minds about a registration process, after all the UK is one of the only countries in Europe that doesn't have some form of registration for its own citizens AUIU? The problem is the implementation - and worse, an implementation that appears designed to make it impossible to comply with requirements




ETA: @Troubleawesome, what's with the groan? Surely citizens' rights is the least contentious aspect of the whole thing? Which is why it's so frustrating that they're making such a meal of it
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