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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
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I don't think anyone really minds about a registration process, after all the UK is one of the only countries in Europe that doesn't have some form of registration for its own citizens AUIU?
Loads of noise in my Facebook feed, registration does seem to be a problem, sad really as some of them are quite intelligent just gramma nazi Labour supporters
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What a ridiculous comment. Did you watch the video. You need an android phone with NFC technology- and even then, the ap does not work.
Many people have no problem with the concept of registration- but with the fact that it is almost impossible to do.

Here it is again, in case you missed it

https://www.facebook.com/PeoplesMome...8236930580212/

Yes, some of those 'grannies' who have been in the UK for 50+ years, widowed, with British children and grandchildren, having worked in the UK for so long - are totally confused, like the friend I mentionned, don't have a computer and certainly no android phone with NFC (WTF?) - and are totally confused and scared- and don't have the necessary support. None of the ones I know vote Labour- as for being nazi grannies- you are quite out of order
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I don't think anyone really minds about a registration process, after all the UK is one of the only countries in Europe that doesn't have some form of registration for its own citizens AUIU? The problem is the implementation - and worse, an implementation that appears designed to make it impossible to comply with requirements
There have been loads of issues surrounding it, from the app being rolled out long before the beta testing had been fully completed, the first few days of the site crashing, to people paying the fee then the fee being revoked, to only certain phones being able to use the app, to self employed people all being declined and sent for referal, etc... But the biggie, the one that a lot of legal eagles have picked up upon is, it's a hell of a lot of data being divulged on a system that hadn't been fully tested, and with no indication of how that information will be stored and used in the future.

Unlike registering in Switzerland, many EU residents in the UK have been told to submit their income records for the last 6yrs. Can you honestly imagine how you would feel if you were told to register in CH via a mobile app? Wouldnt you prefer meeting a real person and having paperwork handed over securely and signed for?

This is just a huge cover up for the fact that the gov do not have the manpower, time and resources to register the 3 million before 29 March. All the info is probably floating on a cloud just waiting to be hacked, and it's a great target for anyone with half a mind to.

A bit of light reading for anyone who's interested...

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/201...led-status-app

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...gs-home-office

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...tled-uk-status

https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-a...private-data-o

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8733676.html
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Yes, some of those 'grannies' who have been in the UK for 50+ years, widowed, with British children and grandchildren, having worked in the UK for so long - are totally confused, like the friend I mentionned, don't have a computer and certainly no android phone with NFC (WTF?) - and are totally confused and scared- and don't have the necessary support.
I really feel sorry for your friend but why did she never apply for British citizenship?
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I literally don't know how registration for EU citizens can be avoided, how else will there be a record of who was living in the UK pre-brexit and therefore has right to remain? All those yelling about how unfair this is were probably also ranting about how terrible it was that there were no proper records of the windrush generation. As long as people are not refused leave to remain after registration, I really don't see why it is an issue
The joke being of course that in most other EU countries one has to register their residence officially upon arrival even when coming from another member state. The UK (wrongly in my opinion) never adopted this approach.
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Old 07.03.2019, 08:21
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Loads of noise in my Facebook feed, registration does seem to be a problem, sad really as some of them are quite intelligent just gramma nazi Labour supporters
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What a ridiculous comment. Did you watch the video. You need an android phone with NFC technology- and even then, the ap does not work.
Many people have no problem with the concept of registration- but with the fact that it is almost impossible to do.

Here it is again, in case you missed it

https://www.facebook.com/PeoplesMome...8236930580212/

Yes, some of those 'grannies' who have been in the UK for 50+ years, widowed, with British children and grandchildren, having worked in the UK for so long - are totally confused, like the friend I mentionned, don't have a computer and certainly no android phone with NFC (WTF?) - and are totally confused and scared- and don't have the necessary support. None of the ones I know vote Labour- as for being nazi grannies- you are quite out of order
He said gramma (grammar?) not granny.

I’m not quite sure what being a grammar nazi has to do with it but I haven’t watched the video.
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Old 07.03.2019, 09:16
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The joke being of course that in most other EU countries one has to register their residence officially upon arrival even when coming from another member state. The UK (wrongly in my opinion) never adopted this approach.
Isn't it indiscriminate, though? By which, I mean that even the local populations of these EU countries are somehow registered with the local authority or whatever office operates that.

The UK only really has the electoral roll which obviously excludes non-citizens. The British people are pretty resistant to any other kind of ID or registration which would, by happy coincidence, create a register including all residents not just UK-citizens.

I agree with you, don't get me wrong. I think this system in Switzerland, for example, works really well because everyone, regardless of residency status, has to be registered so there's less chance of people slipping off the radar.

I can't see the UK having the resources or funding to take this on, but then again, there are 60+ million to register instead of 8 million in my example of Switzerland.
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What a ridiculous comment. Did you watch the video. You need an android phone with NFC technology- and even then, the ap does not work.
Many people have no problem with the concept of registration- but with the fact that it is almost impossible to do.

Here it is again, in case you missed it

https://www.facebook.com/PeoplesMome...8236930580212/

Yes, some of those 'grannies' who have been in the UK for 50+ years, widowed, with British children and grandchildren, having worked in the UK for so long - are totally confused, like the friend I mentionned, don't have a computer and certainly no android phone with NFC (WTF?) - and are totally confused and scared- and don't have the necessary support. None of the ones I know vote Labour- as for being nazi grannies- you are quite out of order
To be fair, this is only the case during the test phase. When the registration scheme opens fully on the 30th of March, you will be able to apply on any device, iPhone, computer etc. As usual, people blowing everything out of proportion.

I’m sure older people can ask someone to help them!
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The joke being of course that in most other EU countries one has to register their residence officially upon arrival even when coming from another member state. The UK (wrongly in my opinion) never adopted this approach.
Most EU nations have the something similar to the 3 mth rule, same as Switzerland. Notable exceptions are Belgium - 8 days, and France which has/had a voluntary system. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-i...-and-residency

But the entire point is, what the UK are doing is saying that EU naitonal who already had residency, have to register again.

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I really feel sorry for your friend but why did she never apply for British citizenship?
I can't speak for Odile's friend, but I have dual national friends who are loathe to surrender either of their two permitted nationalities because it would exclude them from inheritance in those nations. One close friend would have to choose between her inheritance of land and property in either of the nations that she currently holds passports for, and you're talking a hefty 6 figure sum in each location.

Even without inheritance laws, when we lived in the UK, my partner (despite serious nagging from his eldest brother back in 2014) refused to surrender either of his nationalities because one is 'who he is' and the other is 'what he is'. It sounds like a stupid, emotional reason, but it caused him a lot of turmoil.
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The British people are pretty resistant to any other kind of ID or registration which would, by happy coincidence, create a register including all residents not just UK-citizens.
That's brought back one of my favourite memories of the time when Alan Johnson went to Paris on the Eurostar using just his ID card, and did a press call in Paris to promote it. Later that day, we got a panicked call at work asking for us to book a flight back to London for him because he'd been refused admission onto the return train. His team were waiting for a courier to bring his passport to Paris, but it meant he would miss the last train back to London.
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Ah thanks BM for the explanation of FTM's use of English.
A pity you didn't watch the video- there is no political message- just a demonstration of what happens if you try to register, as requested. Simples.

The elderly ladies I know are not against the idea of registering- although when you have been in a country, married to a Brit, for 50+ years, having worked in the UK and paid your taxes and social dues all your life, raised British children and now help with grandchildren- it does feel a bit stupid.

The fact is, expecting the elderly and many with modest income and limited tech knowledge, to use android phones with very specific technology, is just not acceptable- especially as when you have managed to get hold of such expensive tool, it doesn't work.

Here is one granny in Glasgow. https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/g...5_lstHyVVvLLLU

At least she seems fit, and has children who can help. My friend in Leicester, from Paris, has no computer and no computer skills- let alone an android phone. She broke both femurs since her husband died, and has severe osteoporosis and uses a Zimmerframe- and is totally reliant on a few friends for shopping and hospital appointments. Even if she wanted to go back to Paris or Angers, she would not have the strentgh to make the move.

As for cancer, here is just one more confirmation:

The Royal college of Radiologists confirms the government is putting cancer patient's lives at risk as "there will inevitably be delays to cancer treatment as a result of the Brexit process"

Write to Lucy Powell and tell her Brexit is bad for the NHS - we've even made a template letter (feel free to copy and paste if Lucy is not your MP)

http://writetothem.manchesterforeuro...reatmen…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47462762

It is bad and stressful enough to be diagnosed with cancer- to be told on the same day that they can't guarantee they might not be able to give you the necessary treatment, is beyond stressful.
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The fact is, expecting the elderly and many with modest income and limited tech knowledge, to use android phones with very specific technology, is just not acceptable- especially as when you have managed to get hold of such expensive tool, it doesn't work.

As I said, from March 30th you can apply on any device, computer, iPhone etc. If she has British children I’m sure they can help her.
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Ah thanks BM for the explanation of FTM's use of English.
A pity you didn't watch the video- there is no political message- just a demonstration of what happens if you try to register, as requested. Simples.
I have watched it now, I just didn’t have the time to watch it when I posted my comment.
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My friend's children live in Paris and Perpignan. She has no-one in the UK now she is widowed, apart from a few friends. I used to do all her admin- as the friends she has are not computer literate or very good with accounts or paperwork.
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I really feel sorry for your friend but why did she never apply for British citizenship?
Because when she first came to UK to marry her British fiancé, France did not allow dual citizenship. And then came the EU and there was absolutely no need as her rights were guaranteed by the EU.

Now I went to UK before EU, and realised that not being British would cause all sorts of problems, so I got citizenship in 73- which was simple as dual citizenship was allowed by Switzerland. No application via android phone and special tech- I had to go to an officer for oaths, who looked and behave like Captain Manwaring- and swear allegiance to HRH and her descendants, holding the Bible. Quite a performance. In Stoke-on-Trent - I was considered very exotic then in the Potteries

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Just a quick 'heads up' for anyone with travel plans for the next few weeks/months. Don't forget to take your Ausweis with you. Just packed mine for a trip tomorrow, and I've got another one booked for April. p.s. Though I'm not affected by this, I believe in having back up with me just in case of numpties.
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Britain never had registration?

<ahem>: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nati...ation_Act_1939
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Apologies if it's been mentioned already in this rather long thread. "Middle England" by Jonathan Coe is a must read.
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Now THAT is a very scary anti Brexit Poster:

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