The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	except no one in the nhs etc will ask you if you are entitled or not, that's the whole point, rock up to casualty, lie, job done

Might be somehow related to their vocation to heal people?

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	marton
	Might be somehow related to their vocation to heal people?

the point is moot, for whatever reason a large proportion of the UK voting public seem to think a poor NHS service is down to being in the EU. this misconception could easily be fixed but there is no political will to do so.

Juncker just gave a press conference. "Is Brexit the beginning of the end of the EU?" asks a BBC journalist.

"No!" Juncker said before flouncing off stage. Lol.

Bloody hell, if you thought the likes of Gove, Johnson and Farage were hateful, you should see my facebook feed this morning!

[Sbrinz]

During the whole campaign it has been my impression the British public blamed the EU for all their problems, when it was their UK government that cut funding and caused much hardship.

It is true there were more able bodied Europeans working in the UK and paying their taxes, the government should have increased spending on schools and the NHS, & not cut it!

There were more migrants recently, they took jobs the UK did not want or were not qualified for. The NHS would collapse overnight if all the EU staff went back home, but again the uneducated did not see this.

[Phil_MCR]

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	Bloody hell, if you thought the likes of Gove, Johnson and Farage were hateful, you should see my facebook feed this morning!

Link?

[dawiz]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Junker just gave a press conference. "Is Brexit the beginning of the end of the EU?" asks a BBC journalist. "No!" Junker said before flouncing off stage. Lol.

It may or not be the beginning of the end of the EU, but it looks more and more likely that it could turn out to be the end of the U.K., as Sturgeon has just announced that Scotland is determined to stay in the EU and the likelihood for a second referendum to leave the UK is immense.

[dodgyken]

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	Bloody hell, if you thought the likes of Gove, Johnson and Farage were hateful, you should see my facebook feed this morning!

Its like the 2015 election all over again. All rabid labour voters unsure why they lost because every tweet, fb post and instagram picture implied they'd win.

Useful tip going forward - social media isn't particularly good at being social or accurate media.
(Shove that in your twitsphere and tweet it)

[bigblue2]

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	Bloody hell, if you thought the likes of Gove, Johnson and Farage were hateful, you should see my facebook feed this morning!

you are kinda baiting them

[dodgyken]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	you are kinda baiting them

Its not hard.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	dawiz
	It may or not be the beginning of the end of the EU, but it looks more and more likely that it could turn out to be the end of the U.K., as Sturgeon has just announced that Scotland is determined to stay in the EU and the likelihood for a second referendum to leave the UK is immense.

they can have as many as they want, unless westminster say they will abide by the outcome it means squat

[amogles]

	Quote:	Phos
	Juncker, making speech, looks hungover with a headache. Can't help thinking of Peter Seller's Inspector Clouseau. He said "out is out", but now says "We hope the UK remains a strong partner." Okay. So who is next? My bet is on the Netherlands.

memo to Junker and Merkel.

Maybe now would be the time to stop bullying the Poles and Hungarians and re-think those austerity measures for the Spaniards and Greeks.

But then I guess if they actually had the ability to anticipate they wouldn't be where they are now.

[marton]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	they can have as many as they want, unless westminster say they will abide by the outcome it means squat

You mean like the Brexit referendum is not binding?

[Castro]

The most cogent statement I've read all week

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Australia has had five prime ministers in five years, the poor yanks look as though they'll have to choose between two options both of which have more disapproval than approval, and the UK leaves the EU. It seems like a ridiculous amount of instability. One might even call it absurd.

But it's not surprising.

You can't feed a society exaggeration, hyperbole and propaganda for over a decade, and then claim surprise when people don't seem to be making rational decisions on the basis of well established truth.

There's a cost associated with not telling the truth. There's a cost associated with polarised, adversarial public discourse. There's a cost associated with media more concerned with profits than the public interest.

It is, apparently, time to pay the piper.

source

How does this work?

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	dawiz
	It may or not be the beginning of the end of the EU, but it looks more and more likely that it could turn out to be the end of the U.K., as Sturgeon has just announced that Scotland is determined to stay in the EU and the likelihood for a second referendum to leave the UK is immense.

The woman has independence for Scotland on the brain and will use any opportunity to try and get it. Her excuse now is that when Scotland voted to stay in the UK it was on the assumption that the UK would remain in the EU. Unfortunately for her, Cameron announced he'd organise the referendum way back in January 2013, long before the Scottish independence vote happened. So Scottish voters knew there was a chance the UK would vote to leave in the future, yet they still decided to remain part of the UK.

	Quote:	dodgyken
	Its like the 2015 election all over again. All rabid labour voters unsure why they lost because every tweet, fb post and instagram picture implied they'd win. Useful tip going forward - social media isn't particularly good at being social or accurate media. (Shove that in your twitsphere and tweet it)

Neither are the bookies. They totally got it wrong - again!

Finally found the reason for the disaster of yesterday:

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Winston Churchill

[dodgyken]

[dawiz]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	they can have as many as they want, unless westminster say they will abide by the outcome it means squat

That just sounded a lot like the comments the EU tends to make.

[bigblue2]

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	Finally found the reason for the disaster of yesterday: The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. Winston Churchill

which is quite true, every single person I've seen / read interviewed only cared about there own situation, head of weatherspoons, of course he wants out, he want all that cheap booze from abroad stopped and people drinking is his pubs. All those 'man on the street' who thinks he can't get a decent job because of the polish builders (not because he's uneducated and lazy), democracy clearly doesn't work, but the alternatives are just as bad