The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[curley]

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	Or no Brexit, you can just drop the "deal" part. Let's see how the next vote goes.

Do they put each result of the votes on a paper and in a pot and on March 28th they have a notary pull one out?

Plus the side bets of course.

[k_and_e]

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	Or no Brexit, you can just drop the "deal" part. Let's see how the next vote goes.

Why not simply rename the EU to "Alliance of the EU and sovereign Great Britain".

[curley]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Why not simply rename the EU to "Alliance of the EU and sovereign Great Britain".

Maybe the EU should join Britain.

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	marton
	Wonder why they no longer view Western Europe as a good market for luxury vehicles; it is a real puzzle?

According to Reuters: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ni...-idUKKBN1QT1KB

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	In addition to the tough competition, the Japanese premium brand, headquartered in Hong Kong since 2012, has struggled to effectively meet emissions and other regulatory requirements in the region, Hale said, referring to stringent Euro 6 emissions requirements and other regulatory challenges. “The commercial reality for Infiniti in western Europe is that there is simply no visibility of a viable and sustainable business, especially given the regulatory challenges,” he said.

So arguably, rather than Brexit, you could blame the EU in part for their decision to leave... and don’t forget the EU-Japan trade treaty that came into effect in Feb that means they can sell cars made on home ground without the previous tarrifs? https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2...rs-for-brexit/

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	The economic significance of the EPA is self-evident. It substantially lowers barriers to trade between the largest (EU) and fourth largest (Japan) markets globally.

[jacek]

	Quote:	curley
	Maybe the EU should join Britain.

Shame, at this rate it will happen sooner than later ...

Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47547887

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Why not simply rename the EU to "Alliance of the EU and sovereign Great Britain".

Hmm. The good citizens of Northern Ireland might have thoughts there...

[Blueangel]

https://twitter.com/Number10cat/stat...47632842280969

[greenmount]

	Quote:	jacek
	Shame, at this rate it will happen sooner than later ... Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47547887

Yep, it is all over the press. Fresh with coffee.

What on earth is happening?

Excellent, tariffs to be cut in the event of no deal. Also UK government have announced there will be no checks on goods imported from Ireland in the event of no deal. This upholding their pledge of no hard border and proving that all along it’s been a red herring. Over to you EU and Ireland.

UK announces no-deal tariff plan

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Excellent, tariffs to be cut in the event of no deal. Also UK government have announced there will be no checks on goods imported from Ireland in the event of no deal. This upholding their pledge of no hard border and proving that all along it’s been a red herring. Over to you EU and Ireland. UK announces no-deal tariff plan

A temporary (read as unsustainable) scheme. Ace.

	Quote:	greenmount
	Yep, it is all over the press. Fresh with coffee. What on earth is happening?

It's a wee-bit like torture.

Next up is the MP's vote on leaving EU with no deal.

If I were Chris Grayling, I'd stay in the toilet.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Excellent, tariffs to be cut in the event of no deal. Also UK government have announced there will be no checks on goods imported from Ireland in the event of no deal. This upholding their pledge of no hard border and proving that all along it’s been a red herring. Over to you EU and Ireland. UK announces no-deal tariff plan

Let me see.
You want us to not check what is coming into the EU through Northern Ireland while you don't offer any guarantees about what is coming to Northern Ireland and from where.
You'll have to try better than this b...s.

	Quote:	lewton
	Let me see. You want us to not check what is coming into the EU through Northern Ireland while you don't offer any guarantees about what is coming to Northern Ireland and from where. You'll have to try better than this b...s.

You can do what you want, but if you start making checks then that will be construed as a sacred hard border, something the EU and Ireland have been at pains to avoid. This is the whole reason for the backstop.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	...Also UK government have announced there will be no checks on goods imported from Ireland in the event of no deal. This upholding their pledge of no hard border and proving that all along it’s been a red herring. Over to you EU and Ireland.

Temporary only, could be a nice smugglers paradise for a while. Although if you read through you will see they actually DO propose border checks. A “small number”, sure but a border check is a border check.

Also - interesting that the UK Gov is quite happy to give up all sovereignty here. Thought that was supposed to be the prime reason for leaving the EU?

	Quote:	Loz1983
	You can do what you want, but if you start making checks then that will be construed as a sacred hard border, something the EU and Ireland have been at pains to avoid. This is the whole reason for the backstop.

I love the Brexiteer logic. Make a mess, then leave and tell everyone else it is their fault for not cleaning up the mess. Classic. It's worked for Farage and BoJo, so why wouldn't you keep trying it?

[Mikers]

Something I quite liked yesterday was that she made it a free vote today. I.e. she has stopped leading now, intentionally. She tried her best to get her deal through, parliament have rejected it multiple times, so I like she's now saying "right then boys and girls, you wont sit still in class, so now instead of being taught you can teach yourselves". I think now they are actually being asked to be accountable for themselves instead of just jumping on a bandwagon saying "but this is rubbish" without actually doing anything themselves it will be an interesting time.

[amogles]

	Quote:	lewton
	Let me see. You want us to not check what is coming into the EU through Northern Ireland while you don't offer any guarantees about what is coming to Northern Ireland and from where. You'll have to try better than this b...s.

Nice try, but seeing the people thinking this largely overlap with those that otherwise say, borders are bad, walls and fences are evil, they have a bit if a credibility gap there.

Why is it that Ireland is the only place in the world where they support a hard border?

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	I love the Brexiteer logic. Make a mess, then leave and tell everyone else it is their fault for not cleaning up the mess. Classic. It's worked for Farage and BoJo, so why wouldn't you keep trying it?

The hard border isn't a mess. It's something that's been invented by the EU/Ireland to try and screw the UK in negotiations. The UK have just proven it's a non-existent problem.

	Quote:	amogles
	Why is it that Ireland is the only place in the world where they support a hard border?

My Geography isn't quite what it was when I got an A* at GCSE all those years ago, but I think that Ireland wouldn't be the only place the EU has a border.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	You can do what you want, but if you start making checks then that will be construed as a sacred hard border, something the EU and Ireland have been at pains to avoid. This is the whole reason for the backstop.

And what exactly would such checks achieve?

Are French vineyards worried about huge quantities of commonwealth wines entering France by way of Ireland? Honestly?