Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #18421  
Old 13.03.2019, 11:03
StirB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,238
Groaned at 101 Times in 91 Posts
Thanked 5,275 Times in 2,286 Posts
StirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Poor journalism as they have not looked at the accounts. As Saliston is only required to produce small company accounts & no Audit it really can not be handling or holding the huge profits that come from Somerset.

In any case dividends would be taxable after corporation tax is paid so I really don't see any benefit, except to the government as the tax bill would be higher. UK corporation tax is 18% & additional tax on dividends plus 32.5% dividend tax on higher income.

Income taxable max 45% plus 2% Class 4 National Insuranve

Corporation tax plus dividend tax is 50.5%

Perhaps you can explain why he would not just pay the tax on profits at a lower rate & be done with it?

From your link 'There is no suggestion he avoided tax on any profit.' although you seem to be claiming differently!
I like how you pretend to be Warren Buffett one minute and then pretend to be the most naïve investor another. As you know, companies have much simpler routes to mitigating tax burden than do individuals.

You seem to imply that I have said he has either avoided or evaded tax. I have never said such a thing. I have just said it's quite possible he's a tad hypocritical and has used every possible avenue to minimize his tax burden using perfectly legal shell companies, overseas holding companies etc.

Unless he releases his tax returns, we shall never know though, rendering this discussion a tad moot.
__________________
www.pubquiz.ch - for all your Quiz needs!
Reply With Quote
  #18422  
Old 13.03.2019, 11:03
lewton's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Hamburg, Deutschland
Posts: 911
Groaned at 41 Times in 35 Posts
Thanked 761 Times in 440 Posts
lewton is considered knowledgeablelewton is considered knowledgeablelewton is considered knowledgeable
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Yup, a low tax, low regulation, business friendly developed economy 21 miles off the coast of Europe. The EU would shit themselves. Unfortunately internal politics will never allow that to happen.
This low-standards utopia will only work until Labour has a proper leader and all the people outside London who lose their jobs vote the Tories out.
We are merely saving you the pain by killing it before it's even born. You are welcome.
Reply With Quote
  #18423  
Old 13.03.2019, 11:04
StirB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,238
Groaned at 101 Times in 91 Posts
Thanked 5,275 Times in 2,286 Posts
StirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Does that make you a Trump supporter?

The way the thread turned is hilarious.
I don't think anyone is calling for a wall around Saint Pierre and Miquelon.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank StirB for this useful post:
  #18424  
Old 13.03.2019, 11:08
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 3,801
Groaned at 124 Times in 110 Posts
Thanked 5,026 Times in 2,445 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
If you looked at the Saliston accounts you would realise that was not true, do I have to provide them or can you use google?

Investments shown £258,795
Other investments £444,445

Somerset has members capital of £15,623,611 so whilst Saliston may own 1/3% it does not hold his full stake.
Somerset Capital Management LLP has members capital of £1,486,995. That is the relevant figure for the investment shown in Saliston.

Link
Reply With Quote
  #18425  
Old 13.03.2019, 11:28
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 10,633
Groaned at 210 Times in 178 Posts
Thanked 20,309 Times in 8,659 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Strawman? Non-seq? Who was saying this? I was just refuting your claim that the complained about fence was stopping movement from "into the EU from back roads" when in fact, it was between two EU countries - hence why people are complaining; that's a no-go within the EU, as you know. Hope that helps.


The fence I was referring to is that on the Hungarian - Serbian border. You muddied the argumnet by bringing in the Croatian one too.


Nice for you.


But muddying the waters is not the same as dispoiving a point. So back to you.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank amogles for this useful post:
  #18426  
Old 13.03.2019, 11:37
22 yards's Avatar
Only in moderation
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Basel-Land
Posts: 8,351
Groaned at 244 Times in 197 Posts
Thanked 15,488 Times in 6,402 Posts
22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

This is the most English reaction to crisis and disappointment ever!

Quote:
Quote:
I'm now at the stage where I think if we end up not leaving it'll be a blessing. Let's face it, my side just doesn't deserve it.

I'm no Remainer, I still dislike the EU and consider it to be undemocratic from top to bottom. I won't campaign for Remain. But I'm sick of being let down and embarrassed by all of this.

Also I've become very frustrated with myself for the lack of consideration I showed the Northern Ireland issue a few years ago. (More on this at a later date, but I think it's actually symptomatic of something much wider than Brexit)

So, I can no longer commit publicly to being a Brexiteer. I'll follow the issue and give my 2 cents, to anybody who might care about my opinion, where I can. But the pursuit for something I now consider unworkable is pointless. I refuse to be driven into madness by it all.

The UK had to, at some point, face up to this. But its political system just couldn't cope. We fought the referendum like a general election, we triggered A50 without a plan, we never understood how the EU operated nor that Brexit wasn't a standard negotiation.

It's been self-deception on an almighty scale. At one point I thought, naively, that I could stand as a better example for the Leave side, but I now realise that it's hopeless. I'm never asked for input, the media cares only for those on the extreme. A recipe for disaster.

I'm quite furious tonight. With general events and with myself.
I might open a bottle.
It's right up there with "Down with this sort of thing"!

Mind you, opening a bottle might be the ultimate act of defiance for a wet-behind-the-ears 20-year-old student who considers himself a leading authority on politics.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank 22 yards for this useful post:
  #18427  
Old 13.03.2019, 11:39
StirB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,238
Groaned at 101 Times in 91 Posts
Thanked 5,275 Times in 2,286 Posts
StirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
The fence I was referring to is that on the Hungarian - Serbian border. You muddied the argumnet by bringing in the Croatian one too.


Nice for you.


But muddying the waters is not the same as dispoiving a point. So back to you.
It's the same fence. Croatia and Serbia are next to each other. Fences can span long distances.
Reply With Quote
  #18428  
Old 13.03.2019, 11:42
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 10,633
Groaned at 210 Times in 178 Posts
Thanked 20,309 Times in 8,659 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
It's the same fence. Croatia and Serbia are next to each other. Fences can span long distances.


and you really are 100% sure it was only the Croatian bit people were objecting to?
Reply With Quote
  #18429  
Old 13.03.2019, 11:45
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 13,254
Groaned at 122 Times in 113 Posts
Thanked 23,836 Times in 9,190 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
It's the same fence. Croatia and Serbia are next to each other. Fences can span long distances.
Also help very generously to deflect the discussion from the Irish border.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Sandgrounder for this useful post:
  #18430  
Old 13.03.2019, 11:45
StirB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,238
Groaned at 101 Times in 91 Posts
Thanked 5,275 Times in 2,286 Posts
StirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
and you really are 100% sure it was only the Croatian bit people were objecting to?
I'm sure you'll bring me evidence to the contrary.

The EU seemed to have not been complaining about the Serbia fence, but the treatment of refugees and the suggestion that Hungary was considering a policy of firing on them. Certain MEPs even suggested a temporary exclusion of Hungary for its flagrant defiance of EU rules around this topic.
Reply With Quote
  #18431  
Old 13.03.2019, 12:27
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Ostschweiz
Posts: 7,369
Groaned at 244 Times in 207 Posts
Thanked 8,888 Times in 4,647 Posts
Urs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
I love the Brexiteer logic. Make a mess, then leave and tell everyone else it is their fault for not cleaning up the mess. Classic. It's worked for Farage and BoJo, so why wouldn't you keep trying it?
... and claim it is good news when it turns out that the mess will be a litle bit less than predicted by some.
Reply With Quote
  #18432  
Old 13.03.2019, 12:34
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 10,615
Groaned at 349 Times in 300 Posts
Thanked 13,676 Times in 7,516 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Excellent, tariffs to be cut in the event of no deal. Also UK government have announced there will be no checks on goods imported from Ireland in the event of no deal. This upholding their pledge of no hard border and proving that all along it’s been a red herring. Over to you EU and Ireland.

UK announces no-deal tariff plan
So creating a smugglers paradise!
Reply With Quote
  #18433  
Old 13.03.2019, 13:29
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 17,779
Groaned at 282 Times in 231 Posts
Thanked 15,172 Times in 8,431 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
So creating a smugglers paradise!
Into the EU!
Reply With Quote
  #18434  
Old 13.03.2019, 13:41
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 13,254
Groaned at 122 Times in 113 Posts
Thanked 23,836 Times in 9,190 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Into the EU!
There wouldn't be any checks going INTO Northern Ireland either.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Sandgrounder for this useful post:
  #18435  
Old 13.03.2019, 13:45
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 10,615
Groaned at 349 Times in 300 Posts
Thanked 13,676 Times in 7,516 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Into the EU!
I suspect anybody wanting to buy a new car will be on the ferry to Ireland
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank marton for this useful post:
  #18436  
Old 13.03.2019, 14:03
Jim2007's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Kt. Bern
Posts: 4,046
Groaned at 98 Times in 83 Posts
Thanked 4,429 Times in 2,121 Posts
Jim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
The hard border isn't a mess. It's something that's been invented by the EU/Ireland to try and screw the UK in negotiations. The UK have just proven it's a non-existent problem.
The only thing you have proved is how little you understand of the issue. The UK proposal is contrary to WTO rules and can only stand for two months before Argentina, Russia and friends can start filing objections. Which would mean no trade deal approvals.

So it is only a non-existent probably so long as you don’t need trade deals.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Jim2007 for this useful post:
  #18437  
Old 13.03.2019, 14:13
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 3,837
Groaned at 80 Times in 75 Posts
Thanked 7,433 Times in 3,481 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

There were some interesting votes on the deal last night:

For:
Michael Gove
Tobias Ellwood
Ken Clarke
David Davis

Against:
Boris Johnson
Jacob Rees-Mogg
Kate Hoey
Joe Johnson
Dominic Raab

It's a real mixed bag of thought. reason and aim.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47547887
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #18438  
Old 13.03.2019, 14:20
JohnC's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Neuchâtel
Posts: 79
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 24 Times in 12 Posts
JohnC is considered knowledgeableJohnC is considered knowledgeableJohnC is considered knowledgeable
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

If Britain had only given Northern Ireland back to its rightful owners all those years ago when they were negotiating another famous treaty they would not be in this mess today.
Reply With Quote
  #18439  
Old 13.03.2019, 14:26
Jim2007's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Kt. Bern
Posts: 4,046
Groaned at 98 Times in 83 Posts
Thanked 4,429 Times in 2,121 Posts
Jim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Excellent, tariffs to be cut in the event of no deal. Also UK government have announced there will be no checks on goods imported from Ireland in the event of no deal. This upholding their pledge of no hard border and proving that all along it’s been a red herring. Over to you EU and Ireland.

UK announces no-deal tariff plan
So the EU would see no changes on their imports into the UK, while it will follow the WTO rules and apply the same tariffs and checks to the UK as it does to other third countries. So no real motivation for the EU to do a trade deal then.

The NI boarder would remain the same for two months until WTO rules would force them to grant the same terms to all WTO members or put up a border.

So excellent news then for everyone that thought they needed a trade deal with the UK - they don’t. Instead their exports will be duty free going into the UK while imports of UK good will be at what rates they charge all others - probably standard WTO rates.
__________________
"There is no passion to be found playing small - in settling for a life that is less than the one you are capable of living." - Nelson Mandela
Reply With Quote
  #18440  
Old 13.03.2019, 14:27
Jim2007's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Kt. Bern
Posts: 4,046
Groaned at 98 Times in 83 Posts
Thanked 4,429 Times in 2,121 Posts
Jim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
If Britain had only given Northern Ireland back to its rightful owners all those years ago when they were negotiating another famous treaty they would not be in this mess today.
And it was more or less the same reasoning - the support of the Unionists in parliament.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
europe




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Latest Referendum, what will be consequences for EU (C permit and B permit) holders? expat2014 Permits/visas/government 3 11.02.2014 07:59
Importing vehicles and the VAT consequences in Switzerland from France BEFO Finance/banking/taxation 6 07.08.2013 14:11
The (Available in CH) Dog Food Review Thread meloncollie Pet corner 44 08.05.2012 19:15
Common-law marriage and consequences in CH Mishto Family matters/health 9 01.10.2011 21:03
Something for the Brits: M&S in CH mark Daily life 11 15.11.2007 11:18


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 23:46.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0