The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	Jim2007
	The only thing you have proved is how little you understand of the issue. The UK proposal is contrary to WTO rules and can only stand for two months before Argentina, Russia and friends can start filing objections. Which would mean no trade deal approvals. So it is only a non-existent probably so long as you don’t need trade deals.

1) it's temporary.
2) who cares about Russia and Argentina? What are they going to object to exactly when there are no tariffs getting charged on their exports to the UK?
3) who cares about what Argentina have to say anyway? The UK will just ignore them. See the Falklands for details.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	There wouldn't be any checks going INTO Northern Ireland either.

who cares?

It's always the high tax and high duty side that is afraid of open borders.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	amogles
	who cares? It's always the high tax and high duty side that is afraid of open borders.

Who cares if you and your family are stashed in the back of a lorry trying to get into the UK? Not all about taxes and tariffs.

Personally I don't really care but I thought Brexiteers were bleating "take control of the borders" and "keep Britain for the British" kind of thing and here they are leaving their own back door open.

I can smell the indignant tabloid coverage of it already.

[amogles]

	Quote:	StirB
	Certain MEPs even suggested a temporary exclusion of Hungary for its flagrant defiance of EU rules around this topic.

Sure.

They might also consider a temporary exclusion of the UK from the EU to punish them for Brexit.

O wait.

[Blueangel]

We need a new PM...


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[TobiasM]

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	It's not absolving itself of responsibility, the UK is acting entirely responsibly by not erecting a hard border. The issue from the outset is on the EU's side, and it's up to Ireland and the EU to find a solution to their problem.

We all have seen that the UK is very inexperienced in negotiating trade deals, but in time they and you will come to understand how the WTO works, although given the lack of knowledge on the EU after 40 years it may take someone time.

Basically dear Loz1983, if you want to have a trade deal with a WTO member you must have a hard border. In that respect all EU boarders are hard borders and NI will be the same because it is required to protect their trade deals.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Basically dear Loz1983, if you want to have a trade deal with a WTO member you must have a hard border. In that respect all EU boarders are hard borders and NI will be the same because it is required to protect their trade deals.

Published in an Irish paper, so it must be true.

WTO says its rules would not force EU or UK to erect hard Irish border

[amogles]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	Who cares if you and your family are stashed in the back of a lorry trying to get into the UK?

The day that conditions in the EU are so dire that its citizens need to flee to the UK hiding in the back of a lorry will probably not be the day that the UK regrets leaving.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	amogles
	The day that conditions in the EU are so dire that its citizens need to flee to the UK hiding in the back of a lorry will probably not be the day that the UK regrets leaving.

Completely agree but that wasn't what I was saying.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Published in an Irish paper, so it must be true. WTO says its rules would not force EU or UK to erect hard Irish border

From your link, to answer your earlier question about Argentina

	Quote:
	In circumstances where duties or customs are not enforced, a major beef producer such as the US or Argentina could lodge a complaint if the UK decided to import Irish beef duty free to avoid a customs border.

At present, more than half of all Irish beef is exported to the UK.

It is also clear from your link "“The WTO will not intervene unless one of its members brought a case”. If a complaint is brought then the WTO will have to act, not with a hard border but with other remedies.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	From your link, to answer your earlier question about Argentina At present, more than half of all Irish beef is exported to the UK. It is also clear from your link "“The WTO will not intervene unless one of its members brought a case”. If a complaint is brought then the WTO will have to act, not with a hard border but with other remedies.

You should know by now he only reads the headlines :-)

[k_and_e]

The British would get the superior Argentinian beef for the price of Irish beef. In this case, you could ask yourself what would happen with the Irish beef export.

[StirB]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The British would get the superior Argentinian beef for the price of Irish beef. In this case, you could ask yourself what would happen with the Irish beef export.

It would certainly pose the Nationalists a problem when coming to select their beef provenance.

[marton]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The British would get the superior Argentinian beef for the price of Irish beef. In this case, you could ask yourself what would happen with the Irish beef export.

Lucky Brits seeing rising prices for Irish beef.
Maybe there will be other opportunities for the lucky Brits to switch to alternative higher priced products?

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The British would get the superior Argentinian beef for the price of Irish beef. In this case, you could ask yourself what would happen with the Irish beef export.

More important, what would that mean for domestic beef production.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	More important, what would that mean for domestic beef production.

It will be the economic experiment that probably nobody dares to trigger because of the unpredictable outcome.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	It will be the economic experiment that probably nobody dares to trigger because of the unpredictable outcome.

I would take Argentinian been over Irish every day of the week, I doubt I am alone.

[RufusB]

Aberdeen Angus for me.

[StirB]

	Quote:	RufusB
	Aberdeen Angus for me.

Only the finest Kobe beef for me. Shame the UK will be missing out on the free trade with Japan to get it!