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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 13.03.2019, 20:42
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So now they vote tomorrow to extend or not extend Article 50? But even if they vote to extend there is no guarantee the EU will allow it?
I thought I read somewhere that retraction or extension of Article 50 was the prerogative of the country that submitted the article. I'll see if I can dig up the story.
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Old 13.03.2019, 20:47
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I thought I read somewhere that retraction or extension of Article 50 was the prerogative of the country that submitted the article. I'll see if I can dig up the story.
No, I was mistaken. The UK can unilaterally withdraw its application to leave the EU under Article 50, but an extension of time requires the unanimous support of the 27 other members of the EU.

Why not withdraw the application and resubmit it when the government has a clue what they're doing? (Or better yet, leave it withdrawn... unless a second referendum still points to Leave.)

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Old 13.03.2019, 20:49
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There is no guarantee of nothing; it is a totally unbelievable mess.
The UK Govt. could not organise a p#ssup in a brewery.
Well they could, but they are a bunch of self serving b4stards.

Now they need to leave on 30th or revoke article 50 and come back in a few years.

However they don‘t have the balls for either.
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Old 13.03.2019, 20:50
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And then we'd leave without a deal anyway.
Maybe, maybe not!
Seems to be everybody wants to keep kicking the can down the road in the hope there will be a miracle or an epiphany.
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Old 13.03.2019, 21:01
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As one example of this mess
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So... the main vote is now on whether UK can EVER leave the EU without a deal (because of earlier Spelman vote) - govt is now said to be trying to force its own MP s to vote against its own motion - frankly things so chaotic this could implode by mistake

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Old 13.03.2019, 21:04
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7m ago, May statement;
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But if MPs do not vote for a deal, and do not want a no-deal Brexit, there will have to be a longer [Article 50] extension.
And that would require the UK to take part in the European elections.
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Old 13.03.2019, 21:07
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

More from the maze

MPs vote by 321 to 278 to rule out no deal despite government whipping Tory MPs against motion, following 312-308 win for Spelman amendment!!!

What does it all mean??
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Old 13.03.2019, 21:11
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So damn close.

MPs reject a no-deal Brexit by 312 to 308, in a non-binding vote

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47562995
So they had to vote "yes we want to reject no deal Brexit" ?
Wonder if they all realized that.

Yes, they haven't .... No they all did
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Old 13.03.2019, 21:22
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Perhaps a stupid question but why not put the border in the Irish sea and tell the DUP to get lost?
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Old 13.03.2019, 21:30
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Perhaps a stupid question but why not put the border in the Irish sea and tell the DUP to get lost?

As far as I understand, those who initially put forward the idea of the Vote for or against Brexit, gave no thought to the 'Belfast Agreement' more commonly referred to the 'Good Friday' agreement.


I disagree at the moment with putting a border in the Irish Sea. We should respect and be grateful for the 'Belfast Agreement'. Peace in Ireland for me after so many decades was /is amazing, good.
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Old 13.03.2019, 21:32
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So they had to vote "yes we want to reject no deal Brexit" ?
Wonder if they all realized that.

Yes, they haven't .... No they all did
Next voting is tomorrow at 8pm.

This time they will first vote.
Then Theresa May will decide what that vote was about.
And then they vote if they agree about that.
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Old 13.03.2019, 22:09
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As a long time Manchester City fan and after watching today's shambles I realise that I was a little harsh on Peter Swales.
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Let’s hope that UK will cut a deal with EU because it’s already started having an impact on arrangement between UK and SA re agriculture and cumulation.

https://www.fin24.com/Economy/post-b...he-uk-20190313
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Perhaps a stupid question but why not put the border in the Irish sea and tell the DUP to get lost?
British warships sail out of Belfast Lough and Irish warships sail in and start conducting boarding parties.... Sammy Wilson would blow a gasket! Provocative, very much so and it would not belong before someone would be coming home in a body bag.

On paper it sound fine, but the reality of putting into force is a very different thing.
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Old 14.03.2019, 08:14
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More from the maze

MPs vote by 321 to 278 to rule out no deal despite government whipping Tory MPs against motion, following 312-308 win for Spelman amendment!!!

What does it all mean??
The Spelman amendment changed the government motion so that it rejected a no deal Brexit for ever and not just for the next 16 days. Almost zero effect in reality but massive politically.

The government then regarded the amended motion as unacceptable and whipped against but it passed anyway with a majority, now against the government, of 43.

Oh (curley) I'm absolutely certain every MP (with the probable exception of Grayling who was probably in the disabled toilet again) knew exactly what they were voting for.

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Why not withdraw the application and resubmit it when the government has a clue what they're doing?
High chance this would be regarded as a bad faith withdrawal and ruled invalid by the ECJ apparently.

I'll pass judgement on the UK government ever having a clue what they're doing.
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Watching the votes last night, I had a glimpse of how difficult it is to explain the British parliamentary system to foreigner:
OH: Why are they all on their phones, the ignorant buggers! They should be concentrating on what they're doing.
Me: They're being whipped.
OH: Whipped?!
Me: They're on whatsapp being whipped.
OH: WTF!!!!! What if they don't have their phones switched on, or their battery's run out?
Me: They'll get whipped between leaving the chamber and going into the lobbies.
OH: He's not got his phone out! Get your phone out quick or you'll get whipped when you leave the room!!!!

Meanwhile, I was busy watching a Labour MP wearing a little black dress and having an older lady kindly tuck her label and bra straps back under the fabric...in full view of the tv cameras.

Whatever us Brits think of Bercow, it's easy to see how he's become a celebrity in other countries recently. A few mates in the US have taken to quoting "Division!", and his latest gem, "One sentence. No more than ten words. Spit it out!"
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Whatever us Brits think of Bercow, it's easy to see how he's become a celebrity in other countries recently. A few mates in the US have taken to quoting "Division!", and his latest gem, "One sentence. No more than ten words. Spit it out!"
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Meanwhile, I was busy watching a Labour MP wearing a little black dress and having an older lady kindly tuck her label and bra straps back under the fabric...in full view of the tv cameras.
That put me in mind of Alan Partridge's PA, Lynn...
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High chance this would be regarded as a bad faith withdrawal and ruled invalid by the ECJ apparently.
There is no apparently about it. It would not period. Go read the judgement.
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British warships sail out of Belfast Lough and Irish warships sail in and start conducting boarding parties.... Sammy Wilson would blow a gasket! Provocative, very much so and it would not belong before someone would be coming home in a body bag.

On paper it sound fine, but the reality of putting into force is a very different thing.

I was referring to the customs border. Ireland has warships?
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