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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 16.03.2019, 16:15
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This is an excellent, on-the-ball read from RTE news this morning.

Cox is unbelievable.. actually, I don't think you should read articles like this unless you have a very strong drink in your hand.
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Old 16.03.2019, 16:23
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Your basic assumption that everything would remain the same but taxes would go up is flawed. First of all they’d have full access to the revenue generated in Scotland and secondly much of Scotland would qualify for access to EU structural Fund and that is just for starters.
Scotland would not qualify for EU membership, too big a deficit.
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Old 16.03.2019, 17:03
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Something bothering me...

Why does the PM get to command MPs vote 3 times on her Poundland deal, but the British public are only one vote on leaving the EU and no vote whatsoever on the deal? It makes all the 'best out of 3' comments from Brexiteers over the last 3 years, quite sickening.
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Old 16.03.2019, 17:16
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Something bothering me...

Why does the PM get to command MPs vote 3 times on her Poundland deal, but the British public are only one vote on leaving the EU and no vote whatsoever on the deal? It makes all the 'best out of 3' comments from Brexiteers over the last 3 years, quite sickening.
Yep, that came up in Question Time earlier this week - beyond bonkers. The Vienna Convention idea was also brought up, but thankfully it was shot down by Professor Catherine Bernard.

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Old 16.03.2019, 17:36
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Is already known when (if even) the EU will take a vote on allowing a delay?
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Old 16.03.2019, 17:49
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Is already known when (if even) the EU will take a vote on allowing a delay?
Thought I heard 21st-22nd March. Will be talking about it then at least as far as I'm aware.
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Old 16.03.2019, 18:21
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Something bothering me...

Why does the PM get to command MPs vote 3 times on her Poundland deal, but the British public are only one vote on leaving the EU and no vote whatsoever on the deal? It makes all the 'best out of 3' comments from Brexiteers over the last 3 years, quite sickening.
The Speaker may disallow the third attempt citing rules in Erskine May.
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Old 16.03.2019, 18:36
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I suppose the big question is, will the third time be the charm for May? Will parliament be so scared of a no-deal Brexit that they'll vote for the same deal they've already rejected twice? Will Labour hold its ground and vote no, even if it means crashing out?

It seems that many EU countries would be willing to grant a short technical extension IF May's deal passes. This article mentions a possible extension until July 1, without UK participating in EU elections, because the new EU parliamentarians would take their seats on July 2.

Other EU countries (France?) seem determined that March 29 is the day, hell or high water.

I can't help but wonder. EU countries seem to have a hard enough time agreeing on so-called easier issues. Will they really agree unanimously to an extension??
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Old 16.03.2019, 18:54
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The Speaker may disallow the third attempt citing rules in Erskine May.
Technically he can, but this is too big for him to take such a measure.
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Will they really agree unanimously to an extension??
I believe a main motivation for agreeing would be so that they aren't viewed as the bad guys in this.
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Old 16.03.2019, 19:01
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Other EU countries (France?) seem determined that March 29 is the day, hell or high water.

I can't help but wonder. EU countries seem to have a hard enough time agreeing on so-called easier issues. Will they really agree unanimously to an extension??
You have more chance of winning the lottery without buying a ticket, than a unanimous agreement of all EU countries.
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Old 16.03.2019, 19:39
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You have more chance of winning the lottery without buying a ticket, than a unanimous agreement of all EU countries.
Surely they will do what France and Germany tell them to do?
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Old 16.03.2019, 19:46
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You have more chance of winning the lottery without buying a ticket, than a unanimous agreement of all EU countries.
Wouldn’t there have been unanimity for states joining the EU?
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Old 16.03.2019, 20:00
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Technically he can, but this is too big for him to take such a measure.
I believe a main motivation for agreeing would be so that they aren't viewed as the bad guys in this.
Agreed its big, but not as big as this speakers ego! Only this week he rejected a cross-party amendment with ~126 signatures, and accepted 4 others where the combined count was much less...
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Old 16.03.2019, 20:02
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Wouldn’t there have been unanimity for states joining the EU?

True, but as it keeps expanding, it becomes harder.
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Old 16.03.2019, 20:17
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Wouldn’t there have been unanimity for states joining the EU?
We are not talking about a state joining, unless someone has merged another thread.
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Old 16.03.2019, 20:30
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Agreed its big, but not as big as this speakers ego! Only this week he rejected a cross-party amendment with ~126 signatures, and accepted 4 others where the combined count was much less...
The choice of amendments is not based purely upon the number of signatures, and as the amendment you're refering to is the one attempting to block any option of a second referendum, he absolutely did the right thing. There are a few reasons for this, two of which are...

1. It's party of the Labour Party's manifesto as agreed at conference.
2. It's one of the options / scenarios that that the EU have set out as reasonable grounds for an extension to Article 50.

If they hadn't tried to combine representative democracy with the tools of direct democracy in the first place (schoolboy error), this wouldn't have been an issue.
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Old 16.03.2019, 20:34
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You have more chance of winning the lottery without buying a ticket, than a unanimous agreement of all EU countries.
You mean like as they did in the case of BREXIT......
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Old 16.03.2019, 20:35
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Scotland would not qualify for EU membership, too big a deficit.
Scotland is welcome to join any moment
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Old 16.03.2019, 21:18
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We are not talking about a state joining, unless someone has merged another thread.
No, but you suggested the EU states would never achieve unanimity. Clearly they can and do.
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You mean like as they did in the case of BREXIT......
What did the EU states unanimously agree in the case of Brexit?
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