The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[SponPlague]

Substitute “brexit” for “love” and you can imagine MPs singing Gilbert’s “Nightmare song”...

How does this work?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Fish Paste
	Down the sh1tter? Hard Brexit is now back on!

Nope, it is already off the table. And with no extension is sight the only think left is to vote on withdrawing A50.

[Fish Paste]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Nope, it is already off the table. And with no extension is sight the only think left is to vote on withdrawing A50.

Agreed(ish), May needs to something dramatic to get a decent extension, as 1 month is dead, any more is EU elections. Maybe resign, GE or 2nd binding referendum?

Oh dear Theresa, how the feck have we ended up here?

	Quote:	Fish Paste
	Agreed(ish), May needs to something dramatic to get a decent extension, as 1 month is dead, any more is EU elections. Maybe resign, GE or 2nd binding referendum? Oh dear Theresa, how the feck have we ended up here?

Anna Soubry summed up Theresa rather well today, I thought.

How does this work?

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Nope, it is already off the table. And with no extension is sight the only think left is to vote on withdrawing A50.

But it's not truly off the table. Whether the MPs like it or not, it's the legal default as of this moment if nothing changes. They haven't been able to get organized in 2+ years behind a plan, so I'm a bit unsure they'll manage in 11 days...

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	3Wishes
	But it's not truly off the table. Whether the MPs like it or not, it's the legal default as of this moment if nothing changes. They haven't been able to get organized in 2+ years behind a plan, so I'm a bit unsure they'll manage in 11 days...

I am sure the MP's know this & it's just a show

[curley]

	Quote:	3Wishes
	But it's not truly off the table. Whether the MPs like it or not, it's the legal default as of this moment if nothing changes. They haven't been able to get organized in 2+ years behind a plan, so I'm a bit unsure they'll manage in 11 days...

Some people are more productive under pressure

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Perhaps working on codifying how the country is governed with a written constitution and documented parliamentary procedures would bring back more control than BREXIT!

Whilst I agree that political reform is desperately required, a codified constitution is the last thing the country needs. The very idea that dissent can be quashed by pointing to a rule in a book from a bygone age only ever leads to trouble. It's half the reason the EU is failing, they keep pointing to treaties that are no longer relevant or fail to keep up with the pace the world is moving at at the moment.

What the UK needs is a parliament that is accountable to the people. That means PR and referendums that are legally binding.

[Fish Paste]

I don’t know how they will revoke A50, as both parties vowed to deliver Brexit.

I think they need to accept very few of them are going to get a career out of politics now, grow a pair, and do what’s best for the country, whatever that is.

If they go for an extension, maybe one of our EU friends will take pity and just put us out of the misery and veto.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	SponPlague
	Oh yes? What was I saying about egos? https://order-order.com/2019/03/18/b...aningful-vote/

I totally got that wrong I honestly didn't think he would use Erskine May and it hasn't been used since the 1920s (I think...but I'm probably wrong on that too). Where back to gazing into crystal balls to 'see' what happens next.

Revoke, crash out or an extension.

A week is a long time in politics.. anything could happen, and it's only Monday.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	What the UK needs is a parliament that is accountable to the people. That means PR and referendums that are legally binding.

That means a sovereign people... so who is going to get to make it up as you go along then?

This is just nonsense we are now at a point were the speaker is summoning up a precedent from a parliament that has not sat since before the Act Of Union in 1707 to justify his decision.

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I totally got that wrong I honestly didn't think he would use Erskine May and it hasn't been used since the 1920s (I think...but I'm probably wrong on that too). Where back to gazing into crystal balls to 'see' what happens next.

The other day, however, he ignored the clerks’ advice contrary to Erskine May - he’s using it as a fig-leaf to cause mischief

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Fish Paste
	If they go for an extension, maybe one of our EU friends will take pity and just put us out of the misery and veto.

The EU does not do vetos when dealing with third countries, they have already got a consensus of when an extension would be acceptable and Barnier has got his instructions. Without a substantial change in the U.K. position it will be a no.

[Blueangel]

In other Brexit related news, Day 3 of Farage's Brexit Betrayal March has turned out to be a very sorry spectacle indeed. They're (allegedly) down to approximately 57 marchers now, with no sign of Farage since yesterday morning.


https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status...40598453325829

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	In other Brexit related news, Day 3 of Farage's Brexit Betrayal March has turned out to be a very sorry spectacle indeed. They're (allegedly) down to approximately 57 marchers now, with no sign of Farage since yesterday morning. Attachment 136247 https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status...40598453325829

They look like a bunch of immigrants. Would be nice to see a video!

Richard Tice of "I will march all the way fame" seems to have also donned his cloak of invisibility

Humorous article on the march here.
Title "Farage's Brexit march: the theatre of the absurd meets storm-hit Minion"

‘Where’s Nigel?’ - Billboards target absent Brexiteer on latest leg of pro-Brexit march

Edit; one of the marchers has an Isle of Man flag

[Troublawesome]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	That means a sovereign people... so who is going to get to make it up as you go along then? This is just nonsense we are now at a point were the speaker is summoning up a precedent from a parliament that has not sat since before the Act Of Union in 1707 to justify his decision.

What is nonsense is the traitor of a PM called May bringing the same crappy deal that has been down voted while breaking history records of unpopularity, all the while she says a second vote for this shambles is a betrayal of democracy.


Brexiteers and their enablers ae in such a deep hole now no one can dig them out and they'll take the the whole country with them. No deal could happen and weeks after the UK will be begging to go back to the negotiating table to undo the damage...hopefully it won't get there but I don't see Art 50 been revoked, no one has the balls.



The EU should say no to an extension as nothing really changed and the House of Commons has no alternative to offer. Sometimes you really get what you wish for and there's no way out of it.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	No deal could happen and weeks after the UK will be begging to go back to the negotiating table to undo the damage...hopefully it won't get there but I don't see Art 50 been revoked, no one has the balls.

There is no way. A new application for membership would be required.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I honestly didn't think he would use Erskine May and it hasn't been used since the 1920s (I think...but I'm probably wrong on that too).

I think you are. Erskine May is just a guidebook to parliamentary procedure. It's not a specific precedent or legal ruling, or even a set of rules. The book is used all the time, in that the way parliament operates day to day is laid out in Erskine May.

To give you an idea of how much it's used, the book's 25th edition is coming up this year. The first was in 1844, so on average it's revised every seven years. That would be a lot of work for a book that wasn't opened very often !

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	There is no way. A new application for membership would be required.

How so? The UK is still in the EU until it is officially out on March 29 or later. If Parliament revokes Article 50 before that date, UK is still in the EU.

The only way the UK would have to reapply for membership is if it actually leaves.

Back in December the highest EU court said that the UK could revoke Article 50 and that it didn't necessarily need approval from member countries. The treaty itself doesn't say what happens in the event of a revocation so we're really in uncharted territory.

I highly doubt May would back a revocation. I think she still believes there's a deal to be done. She has more faith than I...