The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Pachyderm]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	And did anyone notice how quiet it's been the last few weeks on how many migrants have been trying to cross the Med? 4,500 were picked up by the Italian navy just yesterday. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36611059 Collusion to keep similar reports out of the news in the run-up to the voting day I wonder?

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but someone made the same point at work yesterday, and I realised that up until about1 month ago, there were stories in the media every day about the Italians rescuing boatloads of African migrants, or tragic reports of boats capsizing. Then in the last few weeks, nothing. Not a peep. But last night, after the polls closed, we suddenly hear about the ongoing Italian rescues. Expect to hear about the next Greek bailout shortly, plus the EU plan for a joint military force, initiatives that nothing has been said about recently.

[amogles]

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	The UKIP guy on the news this morning , quickly scaled that back to 'maybe 100 million. Not sure just yet.'

Seeing UKIP isn't in government and doesn't set policy, he can probably say as he pleases.

It would be more interesting to see what the pro-Brexit Tories are saying.

[bigblue2]

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	The UKIP guy on the news this morning , quickly scaled that back to 'maybe 100 million. Not sure just yet.'

as the ukip guys isn't in power, and most of the leave guys also are not in power, all there promises meant absolutely nothing

Right now, nobody is in power, ergo.

[bigblue2]

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	Right now, nobody is in power, ergo.

the conservative party is still in power, cameron is still the leader, the queen is still head of state

[Sky]

Seems ludicrous to jump in on page 95.. hope you won't mind the naive question..

What do you believe will happen regarding the every day cost of living for the people living in the UK?

Top trolling from Putin. "No one wants to feed weak economies".

https://www.rt.com/news/348201-putin...eak-economies/

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Sky
	Seems ludicrous to jump in on page 95.. hope you won't mind the naive question.. What do you believe will happen regarding the every day cost of living for the people living in the UK?

new bmw's will be more expensive

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	Pachyderm
	...You mentioned "MEI" at least twice without explanation...I wanted to know what it meant before responding to your other point attacking British people, so I searched the English Forum but found no threads about MEI to educate me...

You've posted 5 times on the Masseneinwanderung thread, but didn't make the connection to the acronym MEI. I didn't either at first, but kind of figured it out from context. I've now edited the tags for that thread, so future searches will have it pop up.

Back on-topic:
I'm not Brit so I didn't have a horse in the race. I thought the Leave campaign certainly was more active and came forward with more arguments that had populist appeal. They had a proper clown-figure with Johnson to keep the media stirred up. Remain didn't seem to offer anything except fear, or if they did offer something else it was just drowned out by the Leave coverage in the media.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	as the ukip guys isn't in power, and most of the leave guys also are not in power, all there promises meant absolutely nothing

Really? A chart I saw somewhere said most of the Tory MPs had voted Leave and they're the ones in power. Can't find it now of course.

[marton]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Really? A chart I saw somewhere said most of the Tory MPs had voted Leave and they're the ones in power. Can't find it now of course.

Post 1606

[Castro]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	live by the sword ... Was always puzzling why someone who was so out before he became leader suddenly became remain, I guess the old saying is true, power corrupts, he gambled, he lost, he has ZERO credibility

I think he has plenty of credibility left. He's made no secret of his EU sceptic past, but as party leader he can't continue to be a fringe maverick, he has to represent party opinion even if it differs from his own. That's the sign of a good leader, learning to compromise for the greater good.

The press attack him for taking a principled stance (e.g. voting against bombing Syria) and they attack him for compromising in order to keep his party together. What exactly can Jeremy Corbyn do right?

[k_and_e]

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	"The Spanish flag on the Rock is much closer than before," Spain's acting Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo said on Friday.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36618796

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Top trolling from Putin. "No one wants to feed weak economies". https://www.rt.com/news/348201-putin...eak-economies/

Now we just need Erdogan to embrace the half-Turkish Boris

	Quote:	Castro
	I think he has plenty of credibility left. He's made no secret of his EU sceptic past, but as party leader he can't continue to be a fringe maverick, he has to represent party opinion even if it differs from his own. That's the sign of a good leader, learning to compromise for the greater good. The press attack him for taking a principled stance (e.g. voting against bombing Syria) and they attack him for compromising in order to keep his party together. What exactly can Jeremy Corbyn do right?

Not much it seems at the moment. His own party are after him like a pack of wolves today.

[Castro]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Not much it seems at the moment. His own party are after him like a pack of wolves today.

To be honest I hardly care any more, but is it the same cabal who tried to torpedo the local and mayoral elections with the phoney antisemitism row?

[smackerjack]

	Quote:	Sky
	Seems ludicrous to jump in on page 95.. hope you won't mind the naive question.. What do you believe will happen regarding the every day cost of living for the people living in the UK?

Of course there will be profiteerers - when decimilisation came in the sharks were looking to make a quick buck. Of course any increases will be blamed on Brexit.

I can't really see everyday things changing in the short term - things need to calm down for a while..

[marton]

	Quote:	dawiz
	I really hope it turns out that way. I just think that the EU will now play "wounded animal", lash out and walk away from negotiations. Threatening your negotiation partner is a clear sign of weakness - I see that in my boss every day. And without a strong position and good arguments, things fall apart quickly.

"walk away from negotiations" Looking at the recent Swiss/EU situation I doubt the EU will negotiate; they will simply make an offer.

I believe any EU trade offer would include some element of free movement of people otherwise it will just encourage other "exits"; anyway I doubt that offer would appear this year.

[SemAms]

Not confirmed yet but I would think this would be a too quick reaction:

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	24-Jun-2016 15:00:44 - MORGAN STANLEY HAS BEGUN MOVING 2,000 INVESTMENT BANKING STAFF FROM LONDON TO DUBLIN OR FRANKFURT- BBC, CITING SOURCE

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Really? A chart I saw somewhere said most of the Tory MPs had voted Leave and they're the ones in power. Can't find it now of course.

lots of people where flip flopping around depending on the latest poll.