The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[amogles]

	Quote:	EdwinNL
	It is clear by now with most votes counted (98,5%) that the EU sceptic newcomer FvD will become the biggest party in the Dutch senate.

I watched some of the results come in on Dutch TV.


Even though this is more or less what the polls predicted, the presenters appeared to be totally dumbstruck.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	I think something got lost in translation there... https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...ce%20of%20fish

whooosssh

[gaburko]

French Minister named her cat Brexit as "he wakes me up every morning miaowing to death because he wants to go out, and then when I open the door he stays in the middle, undecided, and then gives me evil looks when I put him out."

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-e...ed-cat-brexit/

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	EdwinNL
	Funny, I made up an imaginary postcode and it was accepted.

But I'd already voted using my electoral register details.

Would you like to try again with new details?

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	amogles
	whooosssh

To be fair, it's difficult to distinguish which of the Brit-references keep tripping up the non-Brits and those which are relevant to the discussion.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	amogles
	I watched some of the results come in on Dutch TV. Even though this is more or less what the polls predicted, the presenters appeared to be totally dumbstruck.

We are now in the situation that a populistic and opportunistic government has been beaten by a populistic and opportunistic newcomer party. Really awesome.

[eng_ch]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Nah, I would have accepted the result of the referendum. No one would be talking about this now if Remain would have won.

Of course not, because the status quo is a known quantity that doesn't deprive anyone of existing rights

[curley]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	But I'd already voted using my electoral register details. Would you like to try again with new details?

Now, now, that is guide to crime.

We know you're keen.....

[EdwinNL]

	Quote:	amogles
	I watched some of the results come in on Dutch TV. Even though this is more or less what the polls predicted, the presenters appeared to be totally dumbstruck.

Often previous polls gave party's like Wilders a much higher result than they actually pulled in on the final days, and FvD becoming the biggest was simply not expected.

[EdwinNL]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	I think something got lost in translation there... https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...ce%20of%20fish

Well the forum is about the English language and not about English people (which to often seems to be forgotten imho), so if a member decides to use country specific sayings they should expect that not all members know what they want to say.

Besides that the Netherlands has a huge fishing industry and the topic I mentioned is currently relevant :P

[amogles]

	Quote:	EdwinNL
	Often previous polls gave party's like Wilders a much higher result than they actually pulled in on the final days, and FvD becoming the biggest was simply not expected.

I always was surprised how Wilders managed to be as popular as he was, as in interviews and such he came across as awkward and with a tendency to overexplain the obvious while still evading the actual issue, and even when he made total sense (which actually was quite often), you came away thinking, surely there would have been a better way to say that.


So I'm not surprised really that somebody with more charisma is able to surpass him by stealing at least some of his issues.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	EdwinNL
	Well the forum is about the English language and not about English people (which to often seems to be forgotten imho), so if a member decides to use country specific sayings they should expect that not all members know what they want to say. Besides that the Netherlands has a huge fishing industry and the topic I mentioned is currently relevant :P

Sure, but wouldn't a separate thread be a better idea? The Dutch fisheries is kind of linked to the EU but it fades out pretty quickly on a discussion about Brexit.

[EdwinNL]

	Quote:	amogles
	I always was surprised how Wilders managed to be as popular as he was, as in interviews and such he came across as awkward and with a tendency to overexplain the obvious while still evading the actual issue, and even when he made total sense (which actually was quite often), you came away thinking, surely there would have been a better way to say that. So I'm not surprised really that somebody with more charisma is able to surpass him by stealing at least some of his issues.

My problem with Wilders was that he indeed mentioned very good points, but he always failed to answer question as for how he wanted to achieve such points.

Take healthcare as a random example which has/has a huge shortage of care taking employees.

Wilders: I'll get 15.000 more caretakers and fly them in from South-Afrika if needed.

Questions about previous tests with South-African caretakers in the Dutch systems that showed it is a fail, or where to find them ove rthere, or how even to pay for those 15.000 people and how to alter their education and such never got any answer but just lead to him avoiding the answers with irrelevant stuff.

Wilders knows how to pull people in with his 1.000 great oneliners, but in the end he is empty and has no solutions, more and more people start to realise such.

Thierry from the FvD seems much smarter in his approach and acts/shows he knows much more about the issues he mentiones, and best of all he also seems to show that making a change is impossible if you can't fund it, something Wilders never showed any realisation of.

Wilders was popular among the hard working people, I was one of those but my co-workers could never answer any question that went deeper into the subjects leading me to believe that wilders was indeed for a large part for the dumb (Also shown by all the people in social welfare voting for him since he would make life better for them, where in fact he was all about making life harder for those people.

[EdwinNL]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	Sure, but wouldn't a separate thread be a better idea? The Dutch fisheries is kind of linked to the EU but it fades out pretty quickly on a discussion about Brexit.

This topic is filled with side-issues that come and go, the Dutch fish is just one of many subtopics.

[curley]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	Sure, but wouldn't a separate thread be a better idea? The Dutch fisheries is kind of linked to the EU but it fades out pretty quickly on a discussion about Brexit.

I think the subject was brought up because the expected winner party is EU skeptic. The fishery came in due to member not understanding a British figure of speech.

Should they win, the new thread will be something like "will Netherland show more balls re leaving EU than Britain" or similar ....

I definitely agree that this Dutch subject does not belong in this thread.

[eng_ch]

	Quote:
	Tens of thousands of signatures have also come from EU states including Jean Claude Juncker’s tiny Luxembourg…

That would be the Luxembourg that houses many of the European institutions and therefore has a large number of British citizens working for said institutions?

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	EdwinNL
	This topic is filled with side-issues that come and go, the Dutch fish is just one of many subtopics.

Actually I've changed my point of view - suddenly the issue got a lot more "Brexity"...

	Quote:	EdwinNL
	My problem with Wilders was that he indeed mentioned very good points, but he always failed to answer question as for how he wanted to achieve such points.

How Brexit is that?

[bowlie]

Parliament ‘s petition website currently delivering Error 502 bad gateway.

Sums it up nicely.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	bowlie
	parliament ‘s petition website currently delivering error 502 bad gateway. Sums it up nicely.

	Quote:
	@jimmfelton love that the government is so incompetent they've made a website that's too shit to cope with all the people they've angered through incompetence 12:32 pm - mar 21, 2019

Haha!