The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 952

#**19021** 21.03.2019, 16:22

Petition passes 1 million.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47652071

higgybaby · #**19022** 21.03.2019, 16:26

	Quote:	curley
	LOL. And what does GB need an extension for if they obey to this next week? PS I heard that differently: They said the extension can last longest until May 23rd

After March 29th in the Commons are scheduled :

Easter Recess = 4th to 23rd April = 3 weeks off
1 week back on.
May Day Recess = 2nd to 7th May = 1 week off
2 weeks back on.
Whitsun Day Recess = 23rd May to 3rd June = 2 weeks off
8 weeks back on.
Summer holidays = 30th July to 4th September = 5 weeks off

Combined with scheduled EU hols (erm recess):

Legislative work in the European Parliament's eighth term ends on 18 April 2019
till May 23rd elections
negotiations on alliances until start of July when EU Parliament ends.
Summer holidays
business resumes on 22nd August
but little decisive activity until new EU Commission commences sometime in October.

#**19023** 21.03.2019, 16:29

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Petition passes 1 million. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47652071

I tend to believe they never learned from this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36640459

curley · #**19024** 21.03.2019, 17:03

I'm puzzled

British parliament started this petition?

	Quote:	higgybaby
	After March 29th in the Commons are scheduled : Easter Recess = 4th to 23rd April = 3 weeks off 1 week back on. May Day Recess = 2nd to 7th May = 1 week off 2 weeks back on. Whitsun Day Recess = 23rd May to 3rd June = 2 weeks off 8 weeks back on. Summer holidays = 30th July to 4th September = 5 weeks off Combined with scheduled EU hols (erm recess): Legislative work in the European Parliament's eighth term ends on 18 April 2019 till May 23rd elections negotiations on alliances until start of July when EU Parliament ends. Summer holidays business resumes on 22nd August but little decisive activity until new EU Commission commences sometime in October.

tja .... when the job is arranged around the multiple vaccation .....

11 weeks a year!?! Only teachers do better.

Where I come from (!

) it's the other way around.

bowlie · #**19025** 21.03.2019, 17:27

	Quote:
	I tend to believe they never learned from this: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36640459

The voter must now confirm their vote by responding to an email. Not perfect, but much better than it was

k_and_e · #**19026** 21.03.2019, 17:28

If parliament decides to withdraw article 50 based on the petition, does it then mean that a petition has a higher value than a referendum?

That would be a weird signal.

#**19027** 21.03.2019, 17:33

	Quote:	k_and_e
	If parliament decides to withdraw article 50 based on the petition, does it then mean that a petition has a higher value than a referendum? That would be a weird signal.

I believe legally a petition at least has to be considered above a certain amount of signatures.

A referendum is in no way legally binding and has no legal status in our Representative Democracy.

#**19028** 21.03.2019, 17:34

Oh dear

A No 10 spokeswoman said the Prime Minister "will not countenance" revoking Article 50.

#**19029** 21.03.2019, 17:35

	Quote:	k_and_e
	If parliament decides to withdraw article 50 based on the petition, does it then mean that a petition has a higher value than a referendum? That would be a weird signal.

The petition is only there to cause a debate in parliament. It's up to them to then debate it.

Probably at some point in the dim and distant past there were sufficient signatures on a similar petition to trigger a debate on leaving the EU. They used to just hand in written signatures to No.10, when instead of being a bot, you just wrote "Mickey Mouse" on the sheet.

#**19030** 21.03.2019, 17:57

	Quote:	bowlie
	The voter must now confirm their vote by responding to an email. Not perfect, but much better than it was

I was still amazed at how easy it is.

Automated scripts don't care for such "restriction", they can create mail addresses as quick as they can fill the form.

marton · #**19031** 21.03.2019, 18:11

	Quote:	Loz1983

Another rubbish meme! It is not possible to correctly compare Parliamentary constituencies with the referendum voting areas.

The Vote Leave manifesto was "take back control". So now our MPs in our sovereign Parliament exert their control you do not like it; so suck up what you voted for!

#**19032** 21.03.2019, 18:17

	Quote:	marton
	Another rubbish meme! It is not possible to correctly compare Parliamentary constituencies with the referendum voting areas.

It must get tiring being wrong all the time?

Brexit: votes by constituency
Results of the 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum
Results of the 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum by constituency

marton · #**19033** 21.03.2019, 18:17

	Quote:	higgybaby
	After March 29th in the Commons are scheduled : Easter Recess = 4th to 23rd April = 3 weeks off 1 week back on. May Day Recess = 2nd to 7th May = 1 week off 2 weeks back on. Whitsun Day Recess = 23rd May to 3rd June = 2 weeks off 8 weeks back on. Summer holidays = 30th July to 4th September = 5 weeks off Combined with scheduled EU hols (erm recess): Legislative work in the European Parliament's eighth term ends on 18 April 2019 till May 23rd elections negotiations on alliances until start of July when EU Parliament ends. Summer holidays business resumes on 22nd August but little decisive activity until new EU Commission commences sometime in October.

This is to give them the opportunity to visit their constituencies and communicate with their voters. Sitting in Westminster kind off cuts them off from their grass roots!

bowlie · #**19034** 21.03.2019, 18:29

And in Europe they are saying, ”Sure, you can have a short extension, IF parliament approves the deal first”.

That would be the deal twice rejected by parliament and that the speaker won’t accept again unless changed.

So, no extension then.

marton · #**19035** 21.03.2019, 18:30

	Quote:	Loz1983
	It must get tiring being wrong all the time? Brexit: votes by constituency Results of the 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum Results of the 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum by constituency

You still fail to read the links you post?
I quote

	Quote:
	In total we now know the result of the EU referendum for 169 Parliamentary constituencies (just over a quarter of the 650 constituencies in the UK).

The remaining 480 constituencies have estimated results but nobody knows if these estimates are accurate.

k_and_e · #**19036** 21.03.2019, 18:35

	Quote:
	I believe legally a petition at least has to be considered above a certain amount of signatures. A referendum is in no way legally binding and has no legal status in our Representative Democracy.

so then let's go for a non-binding but meaningful deal.

#**19037** 21.03.2019, 18:39

	Quote:	marton
	You still fail to read the links you post? I quote The remaining 480 constituencies have estimated results but nobody knows if these estimates are accurate.

But how are those results of any interest if only the total amount of votes on Yer or No matters?

Am I missing something?

3Wishes · #**19038** 21.03.2019, 18:43

	Quote:	Mikers
	I hope we remain in Europe, but I also hope out of this that the nasty, bullying, short-person-syndrome, power-hungry bell end that is John Bercow gets a right trashing.

After all this you want to throw Bercow (of all people) under the bus? I suppose if May is driving the bus over him that would suit you?

	Quote:
	You seem to have misspelled "Theresa May", but Lolz says we're not allowed to pick posters up on their grammatical and orthographic mistakes any more.

That's what I was thinking.

	Quote:	bowlie
	And in Europe they are saying, ”Sure, you can have a short extension, IF parliament approves the deal first”. That would be the deal twice rejected by parliament and that the speaker won’t accept again unless changed. So, no extension then.

Depends. He said there needs to be a difference and that it can't be the exact same language. An analyst on the telly just said that whatever proposal comes up needs to change the date in the language, because the current law says 29 March. Whether that's substantial enough is hard to say.

Surely at this point he's sort of forced to let her have a 3rd vote even with a small change, otherwise he really does take the blame for a crash out as Mikers says above.

The arrogance of this government is astonishing. Does May really think that insulting MPs and backing them into a corner of MY deal or NO deal with one week to go is a winner?

SponPlague · #**19039** 21.03.2019, 18:54

	Quote:	Loz1983
	If you really believe this then there is no hope for you.

I saw Anna perform on a C4 debate in the last few days of the campaign. I’m certain her stridentpassionate performance, along with a visibly worse for wear Sandie Straw swung key marginal undecided votes to leave.

I’ve boycotted “Puppet on a String” on my local schlager bar dukebox ever since...

SponPlague · #**19040** 21.03.2019, 18:57

	Quote:
	Perhaps someone should let Guido know that not all British citizens live in the UK.

True, but how many expats live in “Western Sahara”? It’s the quantity that concern him....