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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 28.03.2019, 13:06
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This is both wrong and a lame excuse at the same time. Just to satisfy 22 yards and Ace1 though:
That's lovely. But once again, what proof do you have that:

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Many more MPs than 245 are supporting Remain.
The answer is not "because referendum votes!". (I suspect the answer is "none".)
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Old 28.03.2019, 13:17
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This is both wrong and a lame excuse at the same time. Just to satisfy 22 yards and Ace1 though:
Great, that's some evidence of the referendum and various other votes, which wasn't under dispute; now show us where all these >245 MPs have voted to remain.
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Old 28.03.2019, 13:40
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If you wish to go by constituencies, about 405 verses 245 voted to Leave. Many more MPs than 245 are supporting Remain. This is not a representative democracy. HTH.
How many people voted to leave in each constituency versus how many voted for their local MP?
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That's lovely. But once again, what proof do you have that:

The answer is not "because referendum votes!". (I suspect the answer is "none".)
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Great, that's some evidence of the referendum and various other votes, which wasn't under dispute; now show us where all these >245 MPs have voted to remain.
That's the problem, there is no proving it, but we know it's true because we know how they voted in the referendum. We can also see their voting habits since the referendum, yet they can keep hiding behind voting "in the national interest", but we all know the real reason is they're voting that way to frustrate Brexit with the hope of remaining in the EU.

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How many people voted to leave in each constituency versus how many voted for their local MP?
You have the data, you crunch the numbers.
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Old 28.03.2019, 14:03
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there is no proving it, but we know it's true
Oh, right. Well with that unassailable logic you win the internet.
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Old 28.03.2019, 14:03
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Seeing as Loz is such a believer in 'the will of the people', there's currently a poll running on Twitter for '"Who should be the next PM?" Even though Jacob Rees-Mogg and Corbyn are on the shortlist, the runaway winner so far is...*drum roll please*.... Larry the Cat

https://twitter.com/Number10cat/stat...09460574375936
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That's the problem, there is no proving it, but we know it's true because we know how they voted in the referendum. We can also see their voting habits since the referendum, yet they can keep hiding behind voting "in the national interest", but we all know the real reason is they're voting that way to frustrate Brexit with the hope of remaining in the EU.
Let's start at the top. Theresa May voted Remain in the referendum. Is she one of these "Remainer MPs" of whom you speak?
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Old 28.03.2019, 14:19
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That's the problem, there is no proving it, but we know it's true because we know how they voted in the referendum. We can also see their voting habits since the referendum, yet they can keep hiding behind voting "in the national interest", but we all know the real reason is they're voting that way to frustrate Brexit with the hope of remaining in the EU.
Where you live at the moment this would be called an "Unterstellung" at least. Could be a "Verleumdung" (which would be bad), not sure
Gives me the creeps.

Not to mention that I think that you (and that is an assumption as well) totally overestimate the shrewdness and ability to calculate ahead of those people.
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Seeing as Loz is such a believer in 'the will of the people', there's currently a poll running on Twitter for '"Who should be the next PM?" Even though Jacob Rees-Mogg and Corbyn are on the shortlist, the runaway winner so far is...*drum roll please*.... Larry the Cat

https://twitter.com/Number10cat/stat...09460574375936
Should come with a warning that it'll all end in tears...

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Recent careers of Conservative Prime Ministers:

Margaret Thatcher (1979-90): Destroyed by civil war over EU.
John Major (1990-97): Destroyed by civil war over EU.
David Cameron (2010-16): Destroyed by civil war over EU.
Theresa May (2016-19): Destroyed by civil war over EU.

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William Hague - Messed up, resigned.
Iain Duncan Smith - Messed up, resigned.
Michael Howard - Messed up, resigned.
David Cameron - Messed up, resigned.
Theresa May - Messed up, resigned.

Can you see the pattern yet?

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Wonder which poor old goat will take the spot this time.
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Old 28.03.2019, 14:36
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Seems it is true (and the chart probably wrong). votewatch.eu has 31 UK MEPS for, 30 against. The rest didn't vote which - as you always tell us - doesn't count.

https://www.votewatch.eu/en/term8-co...te-tabs-list-4
It seems they had to use chicanery to get the vote passed:

https://order-order.com/2019/03/28/m...ay-article-13/
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Bercow strikes again as he rules out MV3 repeat vote.
MV3, here we go again..

What's Bercow up to, I wonder?

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Old 28.03.2019, 14:42
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David Davis - he'll rule them with a fist of pure blancmange with Flumps for fingers. At least we could pay Larry in Dreamies.
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The problem is that he's mostly imbibed with the cognac.

Or coffee even, apparently

Irish coffee?
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Wonder which poor old goat will take the spot this time.
There is precedent: Screaming Lord Sutch’s cat replaced him as leader of the loonies after his owner committed suicide...

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Old 28.03.2019, 14:59
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You have the data, you crunch the numbers.
Well the thing is if more people in a constituency voted for the local MP than voted for leave then the local MP is empowered.
If you do not want to crunch the numbers then we come to our own conclusions¨.
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Meaningful vote tomorrow: yes.. but no, but yes, but... No.

There is something coming tomorrow, tho'. It's a surprise..

More drama than Game of Thrones.
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In the increasingly rare moments when I dream of sanity prevailing in the HoC, I read the words of my own MP, and remember that almost all hope is lost. #whenyourmpisthickastwoshortplanks

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More drama than Game of Thrones.
Red Wedding?
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Boris Johnson now says he supports May's deal
Of course he does, the man has principles. His primary principle being that he should be PM. Or better yet, king.

I'm still surprised so many MPs decided to flip sides. If the deal is bad, it's bad. I fail to see how May leaving improves the deal itself. Either it's worth it for the people or it's not. As one MP said on the telly (paraphrasing here), making the vote about personality as opposed to legal substance is the wrong way to go.

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...Did you READ past the first line of my post, all the way to the end of the third paragraph?
No, because this thread is moving too fast and I can't keep up. If everyone could restrict his/her posts to twitter-sized limits that would be fab.

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Seeing as Loz is such a believer in 'the will of the people', there's currently a poll running on Twitter for '"Who should be the next PM?" Even though Jacob Rees-Mogg and Corbyn are on the shortlist, the runaway winner so far is...*drum roll please*.... Larry the Cat

https://twitter.com/Number10cat/stat...09460574375936
I have never followed anyone on twitter, but I am now a huge Larry the Cat fan.

I thought the whole point of the indicative votes was for MPs to have the opportunity to show what they're FOR not just what they're against. Why didn't they do a ranking vote instead of a simple yes-no on everything?
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Old 28.03.2019, 16:10
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No, because this thread is moving too fast and I can't keep up. If everyone could restrict his/her posts to twitter-sized limits that would be fab.
Y'know that my question was for Lolz, not you, don'cha? I know that you can and do read.
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