The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

The no-deal empty Brexit Ferries started running today, I kid you not..

£46.6 million contract with Brittany Ferries is up and running, even though we are still in the EU.

More on Grayling's idiocy here.

[Blueangel]

This is a wee bit shocking.

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	The SNP MP said: “Very relieved to be safely back to my base in London. Was abused by trailing ends of the Leave Means Leave protest as I walked home. Called a traitor. “Told to go back to my own country. Such a contrast from [the] People’s Vote March last weekend.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4104941.html

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	bowlie
	If Parliament had been dissolved, there would be no Parliament to say yah or nay.

True, but that just means she’d have to wait until after the GE, surely?

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	The parties are national. MPs are local.

Last night LOCAL party membership voted through a motion of no confidence against their LOCAL MP, remainer Dominic Greive. Other MP's aren't happy. Perhaps they'll take this as a lesson that there can be consequences to their actions. Somehow, I think not though.

Remain MP Dominic Grieve suffers no confidence vote

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Last night LOCAL party membership voted through a motion of no confidence against their LOCAL MP, remainer Dominic Greive. Other MP's aren't happy. Perhaps they'll take this as a lesson that there can be consequences to their actions. Somehow, I think not though. Remain MP Dominic Grieve suffers no confidence vote

From your link

The campaign against Mr Grieve is reported to have been organised by Jon Conway, the former UKIP candidate who stood against him in the 2017 general election.

It's attack of the Blukippers.

[Castro]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Last night LOCAL party membership voted through a motion of no confidence against their LOCAL MP, remainer Dominic Greive. Other MP's aren't happy. Perhaps they'll take this as a lesson that there can be consequences to their actions. Somehow, I think not though. Remain MP Dominic Grieve suffers no confidence vote

The inmates have finally taken over the asylum. They are bloody lucky to have a former Attorney General as their MP, one of the few Tories acting in the best interests of his party and the country.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Castro
	The inmates have finally taken over the asylum. They are bloody lucky to have a former Attorney General as their MP, one of the few Tories acting in the best interests of his party and the country.

Is that the job of an MP?, no its not, it's to do what their constituents voted for in the referendum.

[Castro]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Is that the job of an MP?, no its not, it's to do what their constituents voted for in the referendum.

Beaconsfield
49.01% Leave
50.99% Remain

Source

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	SponPlague
	True, but that just means she’d have to wait until after the GE, surely?

I'm confused by your post.

The EU have long said that two of the criteria they would definitely accept as the condition for an extension to A50, would be a GE or Second Referendum. A GE requires Parliament to be dissolved to make way for the GE. A second refendum would not require Parliament to be dissolved.

Purely for the sake of expediency, a second refendum is the most logical option. A GE runs the risk of the Conservatives losing even more MPs and being forced into coalition with a larger party than the DUP. May is on the knife edge now, and has been for a long time. She literally cannot afford to lose a single MP, and I still don't envisage Labour under Corbyn, commanding a clear majority.

Personally, I really don't like the idea of a second referendum because the political temperature is too hot at the moment, and would give too much oxygen to the far right (some of the flags at yesterday's Leave demo confirmed their presence), but I also don't believe a GE will offer clarity. Catch 22.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Castro
	Beaconsfield 49.01% Leave 50.99% Remain Source

I guess people have changed their minds then, just not in the way claimed in this thread

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Last night LOCAL party membership voted through a motion of no confidence against their LOCAL MP, remainer Dominic Greive. Other MP's aren't happy. Perhaps they'll take this as a lesson that there can be consequences to their actions. Somehow, I think not though. Remain MP Dominic Grieve suffers no confidence vote

It is very easy for activists to take over a local party and pervert it to their ideology.
From your link

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	"Mr Grieve has not yet commented on his defeat, but a source close to the MP said it was "not unexpected", adding that his Beaconsfield association had seen an influx of "200 new members in 12 months". The no confidence vote, passed by 182 to 131 votes

The Conservative party is one of the cheapest parties to join, at a maximum of £25.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Is that the job of an MP?, no its not, it's to do what their constituents voted for in the referendum.

From my own referendum constituency -

Windsor and Maidenhead
79.7% of the electorate voted in the 2016 EU Referendum
53.9% Remain
46.1% Leave

The MPs for this area are:
Adam Afriyie - Brexiteer
Theresa May - nuff said

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	The Conservative party is one of the cheapest parties to join, at a maximum of £25.

A party for the many then

[Blueangel]

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/stat...12246337245185

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I guess people have changed their minds then, just not in the way claimed in this thread

Well there is margin for error in those figures, however the reason people are not happy with him doesn't even need to be reflected in the referendum result. Grieve promised to respect the referendum result and as I said earlier, stood by the Conservative manifesto in 2017. Since then he's done all he can to stop and frustrate Brexit through parliamentary process. He deserves to go because he's a charlatan.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Is that the job of an MP?, no its not, it's to do what their constituents want.

FTFY constituents do change their mind, become old enough to vote and die. What is cast in cement 1008 days ago doesn’t necessarily remain the will of the people.

Just ask the Conservative party what happened between Cameron’s election and May’s election.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Attachment 136369 https://twitter.com/faisalislam/stat...12246337245185

Dems da party rules. If the Conservatives aren't happy then they should change them. Labour will never get rid of Magic Grandpa because the party got infiltrated when it was 3 quid to join.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	From your link The campaign against Mr Grieve is reported to have been organised by Jon Conway, the former UKIP candidate who stood against him in the 2017 general election.

Said person had one vote, the MP was disenfranchised by a majority vote of those present and voting. Obviously the will of the people.

[Castro]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Well there is margin for error in those figures, however the reason people are not happy with him doesn't even need to be reflected in the referendum result. Grieve promised to respect the referendum result and as I said earlier, stood by the Conservative manifesto in 2017. Since then he's done all he can to stop and frustrate Brexit through parliamentary process. He deserves to go because he's a charlatan.

And he honoured the manifesto by voting to trigger article 50. However he was consistent in saying that any deal would need to be put back to the people, because the N.ireland backstop and No Deal were never posited by the Leave side during the referendum. His approach has been entirely pragmatic and analytical, as would befit a legal professional.

Any Tory MP that would change their vote on condition of the leader stepping down is the polar opposite of Dominic Grieve; They are demonstrably putting party parlour games ahead of country and I hope history judges them as harshly as the Beaconsfield Conservative Association.

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I'm confused by your post. The EU have long said that two of the criteria they would definitely accept as the condition for an extension to A50, would be a GE or Second Referendum. A GE requires Parliament to be dissolved to make way for the GE. A second refendum would not require Parliament to be dissolved. Purely for the sake of expediency, a second refendum is the most logical option. A GE runs the risk of the Conservatives losing even more MPs and being forced into coalition with a larger party than the DUP. May is on the knife edge now, and has been for a long time. She literally cannot afford to lose a single MP, and I still don't envisage Labour under Corbyn, commanding a clear majority. Personally, I really don't like the idea of a second referendum because the political temperature is too hot at the moment, and would give too much oxygen to the far right (some of the flags at yesterday's Leave demo confirmed their presence), but I also don't believe a GE will offer clarity. Catch 22.

My point is that the courts have ruled she can’t use executive power to revoke article 50.