The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[amogles]

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	There are literally thousands of petitions on that site. If what you say is true, and it's a piece of cake for any old duffer to write a few lines of script to churn out signatures, why aren't they ALL busting the 6 million signature barrier? Or is it just Remainers who have the IT skillz to do it?

Just think that through and maybe you will realize something about the stories of hackers and bots that supposedly went onto facebook and all the online forums and went into dicussions and convinced people to vote for Trump or Brexit or whatever else you disagree with, but that the other side was strangely incapable of doing the same for their cause, every single time.

[Rob]

	Quote:	SponPlague
	This is interesting: it seems it’s fairly easy to hack government petitions, even with unique email verification: https://www.kent.house/uk-petition-a...acked-by-bots/

I agree that it was less secure than it could have been. They should have used a Captcha as well

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	curley
	It might be the thing people really want so they don't want it to be blamed to be tampered with.

If it’s what they really really want then it’s not so much jazzed as spiced up

	Quote:	amogles
	Just think that through and maybe you will realize something about the stories of hackers and bots that supposedly went onto facebook and all the online forums and went into dicussions and convinced people to vote for Trump or Brexit or whatever else you disagree with, but that the other side was strangely incapable of doing the same for their cause, every single time.

Is that the same as writing a "simple" programme which only apparently cost 22 quid to set up, to do a repetitive task of adding millions of signatures over and over again?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	amogles
	Just think that through and maybe you will realize something about the stories of hackers and bots that supposedly went onto facebook and all the online forums and went into dicussions and convinced people to vote for Trump or Brexit or whatever else you disagree with, but that the other side was strangely incapable of doing the same for their cause, every single time.

That would imply that the leave crowed are more intelligent & savvy, not the complete idiots that remain supporters claim.

I guess we are back to John Cleese on Stupid people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU

[amogles]

	Quote:
	Is that the same as writing a "simple" programme which only apparently cost 22 quid to set up, to do a repetitive task of adding millions of signatures over and over again?

So Brexiteers can do complicated bots but are incapable of doing simple ones?

Bring it on, this is getting interesting.

	Quote:	amogles
	So Brexiteers can do complicated bots but are incapable of doing simple ones? Bring it on, this is getting interesting.

Anyone can do anything if they need to but your original reply to my post was comparing apples and oranges, and was therefore irrelevant.

You know full well that there has been online shenanigans in one way or another to influence votes and elections all over in recent years, in fact if there HADN'T been any such activity, that would be harder to believe.

[curley]

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	Anyone can do anything if they need to but your original reply to my post was comparing apples and oranges, and was therefore irrelevant. You know full well that there has been online shenanigans in one way or another to influence votes and elections all over in recent years, in fact if there HADN'T been any such activity, that would be harder to believe.

I don't think amogle's post was irrelevant at all.

	Quote:
	There are literally thousands of petitions on that site. If what you say is true, and it's a piece of cake for any old duffer to write a few lines of script to churn out signatures, why aren't they ALL busting the 6 million signature barrier? Or is it just Remainers who have the IT skillz to do it?

If..

It is proven that this is true, so you can forget about the if. As for the other polls, most harsh truth will be that hardly anybody cares about them. Also smart people would just drip their votes up to the amount needed to get their question in and nobody would ever doubt the numbers. This poll and the subject got so much news coverage that it also got a fun factor to do such for the script kiddies.

	Quote:	Dack Rambo
	The best option for them. Anything else is taking a risk on NI status within the UK.

It gets even better when the government write up new rules which erode the Good Friday agreement without a bat of an eye. Suits the DUP, they don't give a rats..

This is incredibly bonkers..

	Quote:
	If.. It is proven that this is true, so you can forget about the if. As for the other polls, most harsh truth will be that hardly anybody cares about them. Also smart people would just drip their votes up to the amount needed to get their question in and nobody would ever doubt the numbers. This poll and the subject got so much news coverage that it also got a fun factor to do such for the script kiddies.

Saying ‘It was obvious from the start...’ (as you said in your earlier post) followed by a load of non-facts doesn’t really prove anything, so I think I’ll keep my ‘if’ ta-very-much.

	Quote:	curley
	I don't think amogle's post was irrelevant at all.

How so?

Theresa May is to speak. She has locked her Cabinet away, not allowing them out until she has spoken and they can't have their phones.

Further extension.. eyes roll across Europe.

[curley]

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	How so?

Well, I'm a bit puzzled having to explain a very clearly phrased post of amogles. What is in demand, a headline?

Okay, headline: How come only bad decisions have been influenced by bots and good ones - or good ideas having fallen through - have not?
Headlines need bold print, right?

That's probably already too long. LOL.

I'm trying to remember what it was blamed on in the old days. "The others" were just stupid?

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Theresa May is to speak. She has locked her Cabinet away, not allowing them out until she has spoken and they can't have their phones. Further extension.. eyes roll across Europe.

She can do that?
That is "Freiheitsberaubung" (deprivation of liberty)

	Quote:	curley
	She can do that? That is "Freiheitsberaubung" (deprivation of liberty)

10 of her cabinet wanted a long extension, 14 a short and 2 abstained. They're lucky she didn't lock them in the tower and cut off their squabbling little heads..

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	That would imply that the leave crowed are more intelligent

You are stark raven mad.

[Rob]

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	You are stark raven mad.

Nah that's just par for the caws.

[curley]

I'm impressed you folks still can figure what's actually going on.





Can you?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	curley
	I'm impressed you folks still can figure what's actually going on. Can you?

Yes, but I'm not crowing about it

[greenmount]

	Quote:	amogles
	Just think that through and maybe you will realize something about the stories of hackers and bots that supposedly went onto facebook and all the online forums and went into dicussions and convinced people to vote for Trump or Brexit or whatever else you disagree with, but that the other side was strangely incapable of doing the same for their cause, every single time.

A plausible scenario, actually. Nobody thought people will vote for Brexit or Trump in that large amounts, so nobody bothered to hack and troll the online platforms. That was (is) the anti-EU crowd and anti-...whatever Trump stands for' specialty.

Brexit and even Trump came as a surprise. I remember reading about people voting for Brexit as an anti-British establishment vote while thinking Brexit will never win. So indeed, trolls, bots and hackers are the other side's modus operandi. Fake news too.