The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	A good mate of mine in the U.S. made over $15k from two $50 early bets on Trump and Leave. Bit if you want to challenge thousands of posts over the 1,916 pages of the two threads concerned, by all means, fill yer boots

I regret not betting on Trump when the odds were 1000/1

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	A good mate of mine in the U.S. made over $15k from two $50 early bets on Trump and Leave. Bit if you want to challenge thousands of posts over the 1,916 pages of the two threads concerned, by all means, fill yer boots

I doubt he made very much from leave, the odds were never that high as it was always a reasonable outcome.

[Castro]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	A good mate of mine in the U.S. made over $15k from two $50 early bets on Trump and Leave. Bit if you want to challenge thousands of posts over the 1,916 pages of the two threads concerned, by all means, fill yer boots

If I remember correctly, a 2016 accumulator bet of £50 on Leicester City, Trump and Brexit would have netted you just over over a £million

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	Saying ‘It was obvious from the start...’ (as you said in your earlier post) followed by a load of non-facts doesn’t really prove anything, so I think I’ll keep my ‘if’ ta-very-much.

To me yeah it was obvious due to how regular the climb was and even during nighttime. I also said this from the moment that poll was discussed here.

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	To me yeah it was obvious due to how regular the climb was and even during nighttime. I also said this from the moment that poll was discussed here.

True, but perhaps you missed the replies thereafter which said that British citizens live all over the world and also thousands of people work shifts, are up with sleepless babies, have insomnia, been out clubbing, etc., etc., etc. They don't close the petition after 10.30 pm GMT in the assumption that the good people of the UK have popped off for their 8 hours slumber.

It was also pointed out to you that the volume of traffic on the site had forced it to restrict refreshes to every 15 mins which is why it appeared to climb steadily.

By the way, it's not really a poll or a vote or an election, just a petition. Works online in a similar way they used to go around getting signatures on paper before knocking on the door of 10 Downing Street to hand them over with great ceremony.

I don't know why everyone is getting their knickers in a twist about it (it's quite funny, actually).

The government can cry "fake" and ignore it if they want to but if they're smart, they'll at least consider that a fair few people are more than a bit pissed off.

HTH.

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	True, but perhaps you missed the replies thereafter which said that British citizens live all over the world and also thousands of people work shifts, are up with sleepless babies, have insomnia, been out clubbing, etc., etc., etc. They don't close the petition after 10.30 pm GMT in the assumption that the good people of the UK have popped off for their 8 hours slumber. It was also pointed out to you that the volume of traffic on the site had forced it to restrict refreshes to every 15 mins which is why it appeared to climb steadily.

Polls/petitions like the internet itself normally have peeks and calm hours, like after evening diner or in the middle of the night. This petition lacked such. And if you look at the percentage of signers from overseas you would realise that they cannot be held responsible for the amount of "votes" during the middle of the night.

The refresh rate has never been of any consideration to me, nor is it relevant when looking at the rise of numbers during day and/or night, nor have I ever made a comment about those spikes being of any interest. So we can forget about that.

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	Polls/petitions like the internet itself normally have peeks and calm hours, like after evening diner or in the middle of the night. This petition lacked such. And if you look at the percentage of signers from overseas you would realise that they cannot be held responsible for the amount of "votes" during the middle of the night. The refresh rate has never been of any consideration to me, nor is it relevant when looking at the rise of numbers during day and/or night, nor have I ever made a comment about those spikes being of any interest. So we can forget about that.

I was just providing a reasonable explanation to you because you seem unduly bothered by the whole thing, especially as you seemed to be monitoring it throughout the night and inspecting the raw data.

That's quite some dedication...

[curley]

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	I was just providing a reasonable explanation to you because you seem unduly bothered by the whole thing, especially as you seemed to be monitoring it throughout the night and inspecting the raw data. That's quite some dedication...

Monitoring other country's online petitions during the nights can come from all kinds of lacks. Do not rub it in.

I signed it in the middle of the night. Then I did a Morrison's shop. HTH. I don't get all the back amd forth over the may-be-hack-bots. It's a petition, a social indicator. It's about as politically binding as my choice of breakfast cereal.


The whole thing is a farce. When we've had a week - I've lost track of the timescale - when it transpires that there are 30(?) Tories who are bigger wankers than BoJo it and May is hellbent on gods only know what ...Corbin must be sliding his palms together in glee. I hope she can offer something he wants so we can finally get it all over with... but sadly I suspect he's the "cut his nose off" type.

[Elu]

	Quote:	curley
	Monitoring other country's online petitions during the nights can come from all kinds of lacks. Do not rub it in.

Edwin NL is a stay at home dad, maybe his kid(s) were ill, thats why he didn't get any sleep and deserves our compassion.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:
	The whole thing is a farce. When we've had a week - I've lost track of the timescale - when it transpires that there are 30(?) Tories who are bigger wankers than BoJo it and May is hellbent on gods only know what ...Corbin must be sliding his palms together in glee. I hope she can offer something he wants so we can finally get it all over with... but sadly I suspect he's the "cut his nose off" type.

They need xy Tories because Labour has mostly voted Yes, see Blueangel's chart in Post 19562. The "cut their nose off" types aren't among Labour (mostly).

	Quote:	Urs Max
	They need xy Tories because Labour has mostly voted Yes, see Blueangel's chart in Post 19562. The "cut their nose off" types aren't among Labour (mostly).

I didn't need the explanation but thanks. I think you misunderstood what I wrote. Those Tories are (one of) the reason(s) she's gone to Corbin. Corbin is that type I think, sadly.

[greenmount]

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	The EU has been a convenient whipping boy for a weak and incompetent government. Underfunded education? EU's fault. Underfunded NHS? EU's fault. Austerity measures? EU's fault. Part of me thinks that a no-deal Brexit will be the ultimate "told you so" when the buck stops at the UK government and puts a glaring spotlight on their incompetence, although if the last three years are anything to go by there is little doubt of how badly parliament performs when faced with something they absolutely must sort out by a deadline.

It's not only in the UK, sadly most of the right wing European politicians are using this strategy. I say sadly because in my opinion the current "conservative" establishment (and in all fairness not only them but mostly them) has totally compromised themselves. Back home I'm still voting with a centre-right party only because they didn't resort to these tricks. And they improved their agenda (a lot) in regards with social policies. Well, I still make the effort to (religiously) vote even though I am living here.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Castro
	If I remember correctly, a 2016 accumulator bet of £50 on Leicester City, Trump and Brexit would have netted you just over over a £million

Depending on your choice of bookmaker...

A £10 treble with Paddy Power would have netted you £30million - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7408231.html

A £1 treble with Ladbrokes would have won you £4.5million - https://www.businessinsider.com/odds...6-11?r=US&IR=T

[Blueangel]

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	...Corbin must be sliding his palms together in glee. I hope she can offer something he wants so we can finally get it all over with... but sadly I suspect he's the "cut his nose off" type.

The only thing May has that Corbyn wants, is the one thing she can't offer to him, the keys to No.10.

A few short weeks ago, May gave that atrocious speech when she blamed MPs for her deal failing miserably. All along, Corbyn's been banging on about wanting a G.E. Now that he's at the table with May, he's right in her crosshairs to have all the blame heaped upon him if whatever they cook up is rejected in the House. I believe JagWaugh would have spotted this trap a mile off.

Nothing like a bit of honesty.

Nick Boles lets rip.

https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status...35648688951296

Good grief. It gets more and more comical: now, a Brexit dead heat, broken only by John Bercow's casting vote.

[marton]

It is claimed Parliament has today passed a law forbidding a no deal Brexit; maybe it is still 1st April!

	Quote:	marton
	It is claimed Parliament has today passed a law forbidding a no deal Brexit; maybe it is still 1st April!

The House of Commons passed (by one vote!) a bill that effectively rules out no deal, but it has to be passed by the House of Lords to become law and of course, it all means nothing if the EU decides not to play along!

[Blueangel]

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	The House of Commons passed (by one vote!) a bill that effectively rules out no deal, but it has to be passed by the House of Lords to become law and of course, it all means nothing if the EU decides not to play along!

The HoL is emphatically Remain. From January this year...

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	The House of Lords has voted to "emphatically reject" a no-deal Brexit scenario in a vote that has been labelled “meaningless”. Lords voted to reject Mrs May’s proposals by 321 to 152 in the ballot on Monday night.

...but we also need to take note of this from the same article...

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	The House of Lords highlighted its toothlessness on its Twitter account, telling one user: “Under the EU (Withdrawal) Act the @HouseofCommons must vote on the withdrawal agreement and the #HouseofLords must complete this debate. The Commons has the final say.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4038801.html