The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

This Twitter thread is worth a look because it's so bloody good...

https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/sta...erly-brutal%2F

Stemmed from a response to that bloated potato, Piers Morgan:

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	Piers Morgan @piersmorgan No Deal is actually Brexit. People voted to leave the EU, not to stay in bits of it. 1:44 AM - 31 Mar 2019

[curley]

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	The House of Commons passed (by one vote!) a bill that effectively rules out no deal, but it has to be passed by the House of Lords to become law and of course, it all means nothing if the EU decides not to play along!

Let's say it passes all the stages: GB will have a law (in it's constitution?) that never, ever a no deal brexit is possible?

The EU (Germany in particular) is just gonna luv that!

How silly can people be, I wonder?
British governement is "gemeingefährlich" and do I just love the translation of that: "constituting a public danger "

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	Let's say it passes all the stages: GB will have a law (in it's constitution?) that never, ever a no deal brexit is possible? :eek

No it won't. No parliament can bind its successors so the law stands only until another vote supersedes it.

	Quote:	curley
	Let's say it passes all the stages: GB will have a law (in it's constitution?) that never, ever a no deal brexit is possible? The EU (Germany in particular) is just gonna luv that! How silly can people be, I wonder? British governement is "gemeingefährlich" and do I just love the translation of that: "constituting a public danger "

You do have to laugh. The deciding vote came from an MP who is a convicted criminal on early release from prison. Then there's also the irony of Remain MPs celebrating the process of Parliament with the 1604 precedent yet ramming this legislation through in the space of a day (debates normally take place over months).

In the end it's irrelevant. The UK can vote for what it wants, it is entirely at the behest of the EU as the UK can only get an extension if the EU grants one. And if people were unhappy with the conditions of the exit agreement, wait until they see what conditions the EU attaches to a long extension. The big question is will the EU want to be seen as the party that caused a hard Brexit?

[curley]

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	No it won't. No parliament can bind its successors so the law stands only until another vote supersedes it.

While this is kind of soothing in this particular case - that system makes a country extremly instable.

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	You do have to laugh. The deciding vote came from an MP who is a convicted criminal on early release from prison. Then there's also the irony of Remain MPs celebrating the process of Parliament with the 1604 precedent yet ramming this legislation through in the space of a day (debates normally take place over months). In the end it's irrelevant. The UK can vote for what it wants, it is entirely at the behest of the EU as the UK can only get an extension if the EU grants one. And if people were unhappy with the conditions of the exit agreement, wait until they see what conditions the EU attaches to a long extension. The big question is will the EU want to be seen as the party that caused a hard Brexit?

You forget: If there is gonna be a law against that in GB, that will not be possible. They could only kick GB out. Now that would be an interesting first though.

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	While this is kind of soothing in this particular case - that system makes a country extremly instable.

Why? This is the "democracy" that everyone is bleating about. The legal system is ever fluid. Instability comes with over-reaching and inflexible governments.

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	You forget: If there is gonna be a law against that in GB, that will not be possible. They could only kick GB out. Now that would be an interesting first though.

The EU is trying to avoid a hard Brexit, too, so is only going to "kick GB out" as a last resort.

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	The EU is trying to avoid a hard Brexit, too, so is only going to "kick GB out" as a last resort.

Are they though? They certainly were, but the language appears to be changing. Also from the likes of Macron and Kurz.

The EU are starting to realise that having the UK remaining in its current state would be toxic to their plans. Which is why they have a difficult decision to make - accept the UK's request for an Art 50 extension and in doing so accept them as a thorn in their side, or reject it and run the risk of getting "blamed" for causing a hard Brexit.

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	You do have to laugh. The deciding vote came from an MP who is a convicted criminal on early release from prison.

The "deciding vote"? How do you figure that? Are you sure it wasn't Yvette Cooper's vote? Or one of the 14 Tories who crossed the floor to support the bill? Maybe it was Caroline Lucas, the single Green MP, who made the difference? Or any of the 313 MPs who voted for the bill? The only way there could have been "a deciding vote" would have been a situation where the status of the voting was known at all times, and when the score was 312-312, the last remaining MP stepped up to cast their vote. That would have been a "deciding vote".

The hand-wringing and outrage that Brexiteers are indulging in over the exercising of democracy is quite comical. Their nerves must be right on edge.

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	The "deciding vote"? How do you figure that? Are you sure it wasn't Yvette Cooper's vote? Or one of the 14 Tories who crossed the floor to support the bill? Maybe it was Caroline Lucas, the single Green MP, who made the difference? Or any of the 313 MPs who voted for the bill? The only way there could have been "a deciding vote" would have been a situation where the status of the voting was known at all times, and when the score was 312-312, the last remaining MP stepped up to cast their vote. That would have been a "deciding vote". The hand-wringing and outrage that Brexiteers are indulging in over the exercising of democracy is quite comical. Their nerves must be right on edge.

The vote was won by one, durrr.

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	The vote was won by one, durrr.

Is this about the right time to say "they lost, they should get over it"?

Too soon?

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	The vote was won by one, durrr.

So everyone's vote was the deciding one then. Gotcha.

[curley]

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	So everyone's vote was the deciding one then. Gotcha.

Well, for once it proved: Each vote counts!

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	This Twitter thread is worth a look because it's so bloody good... https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/sta...erly-brutal%2F Stemmed from a response to that bloated potato, Piers Morgan:

Great thread there. Puts paid to a lot of the nonsense being spouted on here in one handy tweet stream.

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	Is this about the right time to say "they lost, they should get over it"? Too soon?

Like I say, they can vote for what they want, it won't make the slightest bit of difference at this stage.

[Mikers]

I think, at the end of all this, someting fanstastic is going to happen. we are now at 983 pages of debate - an encyclopedia of views, rants, raves and thoughts on the most decisive of all topics. people's views have changed and if we were to read it all again we would see our moods moving with the news and events. however I was certain that the gold medal - a full one thousand pages of debate - would never be reached because once we leave, the intensity of debate will slow (perhaps).

however we've extended.

and now, we're trying to extend again.

so the chance exists, that this thread will truly hit the holy grail of one thousand pages of people arguing about brexit before brexit is actually decided.

if thats not an acheivement, I dont know what is.

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	Great thread there. Puts paid to a lot of the nonsense being spouted on here in one handy tweet stream.

Although I think the desperate mining for minutiae will continue undeterred.

[Urs Max]

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	so the chance exists, that this thread will truly hit the holy grail of one thousand pages of people arguing about brexit before brexit is actually decided.

Errrmmmm, what?
It's simply a matter of your forum settings. This thread can be far from 1k with "only" 492 pages, or past your holy-grail mark for ages with 10 posts per page.

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	Errrmmmm, what? It's simply a matter of your forum settings. This thread can be far from 1k with "only" 492 pages, or past your holy-grail mark for ages with 10 posts per page.

All the correct type of people are currently on 983 pages

[Phil_MCR]

I wish the EU would just put them out of their misery and just say "NO" to any further extensions. If the UK needs more time, it should just revoke A.50 (having been given a get out of jail free card), sort out what the hell they want to do, and then re-invoke A.50 if they decide to go down the Brexit path again.

[curley]

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	All the correct type of people are currently on 983 pages

Well, I'm on 656 pages.
Correct people, pheeew. I'm so glad, I still got it in me.