The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 984

#**19661** 04.04.2019, 11:43

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	I wish the EU would just put them out of their misery and just say "NO" to any further extensions. If the UK needs more time, it should just revoke A.50 (having been given a get out of jail free card), sort out what the hell they want to do, and then re-invoke A.50 if they decide to go down the Brexit path again.

Can you imagine the deafening blast of 17.4 million veins simultaneously popping across the nation if that happened?

Jim2007 · #**19662** 04.04.2019, 12:34

Time for some out of the box thinking...

Perhaps the UK could be make a UN protectorate and let the Scottish manage it, after all they did a pretty good job of managing the empire for a time. Or perhaps the Greeks, their parliament seems fairly sensible by comparison and the do have experience of negotiating with the EU, although their performance might be a bit controversial...

#**19663** 04.04.2019, 12:48

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Time for some out of the box thinking... Perhaps the UK could be make a UN protectorate and let the Scottish manage it, after all they did a pretty good job of managing the empire for a time. Or perhaps the Greeks, their parliament seems fairly sensible by comparison and the do have experience of negotiating with the EU, although their performance might be a bit controversial...

If only we could just have our EU overlords telling us what to do with our national borders in the event of no-deal

Brexit: Angela Merkel to meet Leo Varadkar in Dublin

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	But she will also politely ask questions of him about how Dublin intends to protect the European single market if there is a no-deal Brexit.

Blueangel · #**19664** 04.04.2019, 13:04

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	Can you imagine the deafening blast of 17.4 million veins simultaneously popping across the nation if that happened?

I'd pay good money to be a fly on the wall in certain abodes if that did happen

#**19665** 04.04.2019, 13:19

	Quote:	Loz1983
	If only we could just have our EU overlords telling us what to do with our national borders in the event of no-deal Brexit: Angela Merkel to meet Leo Varadkar in Dublin

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	But she will also politely ask questions of him about how Dublin intends to protect the European single market if there is a no-deal Brexit.

Maybe you should have dug out a dog-whistle style tabloid quote on that instead of the BBC because there seems to be a gulf of difference between "telling us what to do" and "politely ask questions".

#**19666** 04.04.2019, 13:21

	Quote:	Loz1983
	If only we could just have our EU overlords telling us what to do with our national borders in the event of no-deal Brexit: Angela Merkel to meet Leo Varadkar in Dublin

Usual inflammatory language I see. As ever forgetting that Ireland freely and democratically signed up to the EU and therefore fully accepts the concept of EU external borders. Oh and polling shows the EU has very strong support in Ireland.

It is the UK that unilaterally decided to leave the EU creating the problem.

#**19667** 04.04.2019, 13:27

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	Maybe you should have dug out a dog-whistle style tabloid quote on that instead of the BBC because there seems to be a gulf of difference between "telling us what to do" and "politely ask questions".

I think you should understand by now what "politely ask questions" means.

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	Usual inflammatory language I see. As ever forgetting that Ireland freely and democratically signed up to the EU and therefore fully accepts the concept of EU external borders. Oh and polling shows the EU has very strong support in Ireland. It is the UK that unilaterally decided to leave the EU creating the problem.

Good, then Ireland should have no problem with erecting a hard border to ensure the protection of the single market. Oh wait.

#**19668** 04.04.2019, 13:31

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Good, then Ireland should have no problem with erecting a hard border to ensure the protection of the single market. Oh wait.

Ireland is well aware of its obligations under the Good Friday Agreement. Something the UK is trying hard to forget.

#**19669** 04.04.2019, 13:33

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	Ireland is well aware of its obligations under the Good Friday Agreement. Something the UK is trying hard to forget.

The UK has said it'll keep their side of the border open come what may, or did you miss that bit?

#**19670** 04.04.2019, 13:39

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I think you should understand by now what "politely ask questions" means.

Correct.

The question is, do you?

#**19671** 04.04.2019, 13:47

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	Correct. The question is, do you?

Here you go.

#**19672** 04.04.2019, 13:54

	Quote:	Loz1983
	"I've been fannying about with lmgtfy.com"

What on earth are you trying to prove?

It's not a euphemism, it's just you trying to crowbar in some dyspeptic rant into a story which doesn't contain one. It's a bit sad.

#**19673** 04.04.2019, 14:08

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The UK has said it'll keep their side of the border open come what may, or did you miss that bit?

Lets see what happens when EU beef and lamb starts entering by the tonne.

eng_ch · #**19674** 04.04.2019, 14:11

UK Gov has finally (!) published its policy paper on UK citizens in EU:

https://assets.publishing.service.go..._in_the_EU.pdf

One big issue is for those thinking of returning to the UK with their EU/EFTA-nationality spouse (i.e. CH), there is a cut-off of 29 March 2022, after which normal rules for non-EU spouses will apply. These draconian rules (minimum income has to be earned by the *UK citizen* so it's no good if the non-UK spouse is offered a job in the UK earning 6 figures, family income is disregarded) are already forcing UK citizens to choose between splitting up their family or accepting permanent exile from the country of their birth. There is a petition on Change.org to try and change that:

https://www.change.org/p/sajid-javid...984-en-us%3Av6

Another nasty in there is that there will be a 7-year transition period on higher education and apprenticeships, after which UK nationals who have been living abroad (e.g. with their parents) will be treated as non-UK students. This is not 7 years from when people move abroad, but 7 years from Brexit day/end of transition. Ergo, after that 7 years, if parents move abroad even for just a short period, their children will then be deemed to be non-UK when it comes to studying at a UK university or getting an apprenticeship in the UK.

This is British in Europe's response:

https://britishineurope.org/2019/04/...-policy-paper/

Why does the UK treat its own citizens so shabbily?

#**19675** 04.04.2019, 14:12

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	What on earth are you trying to prove? It's not a euphemism, it's just you trying to crowbar in some dyspeptic rant into a story which doesn't contain one. It's a bit sad.

If you say so.

EU now looks set to ask Ireland to accept concessions
Dublin faces pressure from EU to help find compromise on backstop to save Theresa May’s Brexit deal
Editorial: 'EU cannot allow us to burn as may fiddles over brexit'

curley · #**19676** 04.04.2019, 14:28

Loz is not wrong with "politely ask questions" - German is an amazing language (I love it actually

) and Merkel is darn good at it.

Political discussions in German are worlds apart from British.

	Quote:	eng_ch
	....... Why does the UK treat its own citizens so shabbily?

Wow! Good question. I'm totally flabbergasted!

greenmount · #**19677** 04.04.2019, 14:34

	Quote:	curley
	Loz is not wrong with "politely ask questions" - German is an amazing language (I love it actually ) and Merkel is darn good at it. Political discussions in German are worlds apart from British. Wow! Good question. I'm totally flabbergasted!

Too bored lately and stirring a bit the British pot?

Blueangel · #**19678** 04.04.2019, 14:41

	Quote:	eng_ch
	One big issue is for those thinking of returning to the UK with their EU/EFTA-nationality spouse (i.e. CH), there is a cut-off of 29 March 2022, after which normal rules for non-EU spouses will apply. These draconian rules (minimum income has to be earned by the UK citizen so it's no good if the non-UK spouse is offered a job in the UK earning 6 figures, family income is disregarded)

Not got time to fact check this right now, but on the surface, it appears alarming. I never earned the minimum income required in my 50yrs of living in the UK. Also, when my mate moved back to the UK after working in Japan for 8yrs, it took over 8mths for him to secure family reunification to bring his wife over.

Edit: The petition states a minimum wage of £18.6k, not the £35k initially proposed for EU citizens in the UK.

greenmount · #**19679** 04.04.2019, 14:48

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Not got time to fact check this right now, but on the surface, it appears alarming. I never earned the minimum income required in my 50yrs of living in the UK. Also, when my mate moved back to the UK after working in Japan for 8yrs, it took over 8mths for him to secure family reunification to bring his wife over. Edit: The petition states a minimum wage of £18.6k, not the £35k initially proposed for EU citizens in the UK.

But these rules were not imposed by the EU, I'm sure you know that. My guess is they targeted a specific group(s) and of course, it hit everyone else.

Btw, did they promise they'll change the legislation in the anti-EU campaign?

Blueangel · #**19680** 04.04.2019, 14:51

	Quote:	greenmount
	But these rules were not imposed by the EU, I'm sure you know that.

Yup, but I have precious little faith in this government and need to fully read it all before commenting further. I've seen too many kneejerk pieces of legislation repealed in my time.