The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 996

SponPlague · #**19901** 11.04.2019, 14:41

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Cameron wasn't authorised to make the promise in the first place.

Cameron must have been so gutted when Sir Lynton Crosby told him he didn’t have to be besties with Nick Clegg anymore

Blueangel · #**19902** 11.04.2019, 15:25

	Quote:	SponPlague
	Cameron must have been so gutted when Sir Lynton Crosby told him he didn’t have to be besties with Nick Clegg anymore

Ah! The other native born Australian pushing MPs for a no deal Brexit. Quelle surprise!

3Wishes · #**19903** 11.04.2019, 15:29

According to this article from last year, it's theoretically possible to hold another referendum if the stars align.

	Quote:
	...Fresh legislation, testing of the question by the Electoral Commission and a 10-week regulated period for a campaign are all required before a referendum can take place... David Cameron’s Brexit referendum took just over a year to get to the ballot box. The UCL researcher Jess Sargeant, who is about to publish a report on a second referendum with Alan Renwick, the deputy director of the constitution unit, said that even if all elements of the process went smoothly and speedily, “the total period from start to finish would be 24 weeks”...

A quick glance at the calendar shows there are 28 weeks until 31st Oct.

Edit - And this article estimates at least 22 weeks.

porsch1909 · #**19904** 11.04.2019, 15:30

	Quote:	Swisstree
	The main thinking behind the referendum was to control and pull together the Tory party. There was no real interest in running a sincere campaign or educating the public on the choices. It was a false referendum and they all sleep walked into the result. Cameron, Johnson, Gove, Duncan Smith et al had their eyes purely on the tory party prize. It is the exact same today and the main reason May will never get her deal over the line, and this mess will roll on.

I imagine what you mean by the Tory Party prize is leader of the party. Didn't Duncan Smith have a shot at that and fail miserably already?

Blueangel · #**19905** 11.04.2019, 15:46

	Quote:	porsch1909
	Didn't Duncan Smith have a shot at that and fail miserably already?

Yes, but he's got a jaunty hat now. He probably thinks it gives him an air of intrigue and a dash of personality.

fatmanfilms · #**19906** 11.04.2019, 15:50

The £ has been the strongest currency v the € since the start of the year. Only Sweden's krona worse than €! CHF rather lacklustre

#**19907** 11.04.2019, 15:58

	Quote:	porsch1909
	I imagine what you mean by the Tory Party prize is leader of the party. Didn't Duncan Smith have a shot at that and fail miserably already?

I need to go and look up the exact ins and outs, but, if I remember, IDS had a huge bust up with Cameron when he resigned.. think he used the budget cuts as the reason but he had begun to support Leave. He has since slunk off.. he's really quite hated in the UK and did a lot of damage when he reformed benefits system to universal credits, which continues to cause great misery across the UK.

Wasn't he the leader of the Conservatives in the 00s at one point?

EDIT: He was expected to, but didn't throw his hat in the ring 2016. He did talk-up and push for the new PM to be from the Leave side.

moggy · #**19908** 11.04.2019, 16:01

	Quote:	porsch1909
	I imagine what you mean by the Tory Party prize is leader of the party. Didn't Duncan Smith have a shot at that and fail miserably already?

IDS, Ian Duncan Smith, I have always thought of as one of the main instigators of Brexit

#**19909** 11.04.2019, 16:13

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The £ has been the strongest currency v the € since the start of the year. Only Sweden's krona worse than €! CHF rather lacklustre

Love the way it labels the chart "major" currencies.

moggy · #**19910** 11.04.2019, 16:15

	Quote:	moggy
	Currently UK Parliament Easter Recess is 04 April to 23 April 2019. Many MPs are very food of their holidays.

They are having a shorter break, 11 to 12 days for Easter Recess, back on 23 April 2019

Then the rush to organise for European Elections on 23 May 2019

st2lemans · #**19911** 11.04.2019, 16:26

So, are the feces hitting the ventilator tomorrow, or are they dragging this silliness out? :confused:

Bummer: "Brexit: UK and EU agree delay to 31 October"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47889404

Tom

SponPlague · #**19912** 11.04.2019, 17:15

	Quote:	porsch1909
	I imagine what you mean by the Tory Party prize is leader of the party. Didn't Duncan Smith have a shot at that and fail miserably already?

IDS was leade for a while in opposition, but stabbd in the back by the likes of Francis Maude. It’s why Maude didn’t get a role in Michael Howerd’s shadow cabinet - a specific request from his predecessor.

As I understand it, implementation of Universal Credit is proving tricky in part because the treausry initially didn’t give it the funding it needed to be a foolproof success...

https://www.civilserviceworld.com/ar...y-report-finds

fatmanfilms · #**19913** 11.04.2019, 17:28

	Quote:
	Love the way it labels the chart "major" currencies.

The 3 strongest currencies on a 100 year view is $/£/CHF you can forget the rest

#**19914** 11.04.2019, 17:35

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The 3 strongest currencies on a 100 year view is $/£/CHF you can forget the rest

That's a bold big boy claim without any links to back it up...

SponPlague · #**19915** 11.04.2019, 17:57

This site cheerleads for our Franc, but disses the Pound: http://www.antiquesage.com/worlds-st...-20th-century/

Jim2007 · #**19916** 11.04.2019, 18:16

	Quote:	moggy
	They are having a shorter break, 11 to 12 days for Easter Recess, back on 23 April 2019 Then the rush to organise for European Elections on 23 May 2019

They are obviously taking Donal Tusk's advice: Please do not waste this time....

#**19917** 11.04.2019, 18:37

	Quote:	SponPlague
	This site cheerleads for our Franc, but disses the Pound: http://www.antiquesage.com/worlds-st...-20th-century/

Yes, I was going to mention the pound (-74% vs the USD over the last hundred years; the Australian dollar has done better!), but our friend FMF has fits of apoplexy whenever its plummeting value is mentioned.

MusicChick · #**19918** 11.04.2019, 19:00

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The £ has been the strongest currency v the € since the start of the year. Only Sweden's krona worse than €! CHF rather lacklustre

Where have they forgotten the other important korunas?!

Dang it.

marton · #**19919** 11.04.2019, 19:29

	Quote:
	Yes, I was going to mention the pound (-74% vs the USD over the last hundred years; the Australian dollar has done better!), but our friend FMF has fits of apoplexy whenever its plummeting value is mentioned.

He will get more apoplexy fits when sees this graph of £ vs CHF!!

brexit-referendum-thread-potential-consequences-gb-eu-brits-ch-vschf.png

#**19920** 11.04.2019, 20:01

	Quote:
	Yes, I was going to mention the pound (-74% vs the USD over the last hundred years; the Australian dollar has done better!), but our friend FMF has fits of apoplexy whenever its plummeting value is mentioned.

	Quote:
	The only other national currency that has been stronger than the U.S. dollar over the last century is the (now obsolete) Dutch guilder. The Netherlands has been respected for its prudent, level-headed monetary management for centuries. As a result, although not the strongest currency of the 20th century, the Dutch guilder appreciated against the U.S. dollar by about 22% between the 1920s and 2017. The Dutch guilder was retired as a currency unit by the introduction of the euro in 1999.

Again second place

It's like a World Cup final.