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The incumbent government, in the absence of any substantial counter arguments or indeed viable policy, not to mention drowning in a mire of Brexit mess, digs up any "controversial" Corbyn behaviour and throws it all at the media to chop up and serve.
1. The government didn't dig up anything. the media did.
2. Corbyn honoring the terrorists in Tunisia in 2014 (not a decade ago) was published by Corbyn himself in 2014.
3. The current UK government reduced unemployment to the lowest level since 1975. hardly a "mire of mess".
4. whatever brought Corbyn's antisemitism to public knowledge this week is not relevant - what is relevant are the man, his opinions and actions. shooting the messenger won't erase that.
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1. The government didn't dig up anything. the media did.
2. Corbyn honoring the terrorists in Tunisia in 2014 (not a decade ago) was published by Corbyn himself in 2014.
3. The current UK government reduced unemployment to the lowest level since 1975. hardly a "mire of mess".
4. whatever brought Corbyn's antisemitism to public knowledge this week is not relevant - what is relevant are the man, his opinions and actions. shooting the messenger won't erase that.
Meh. All makes a good bun fight in the media, whoever kicked up the dust.

I wish unemployment was the only measure you could use to judge the wellbeing of a nation. If only...

Whatever your feelings about the UK, its government and the media, and indeed Corbyn for that matter - you have to agree it's a jolly good distraction for Brexit, eh?

Actually, there's a new one just broken the headlines - an apparent terror attack in Westminster.

Corbyn is now on the backburner again.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah

I don't share your consipratrial view - not every news item is to push out another news item. And you can't claim that the UK is in a "mire" when data shows otherwise.

This thread is about Corbyn: not Brexit, not Tories.

Many commentors on this thread are happy to vote for anyone who will oppose the Tories.

As usual: Every country gets the leader it deserves.
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I don't share your conspiratorial view - not every news item is to push out another news item. And you can't claim that the UK is in a "mire" when data shows otherwise.
There are more sets of data than just the ones you see.

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This thread is about Corbyn: not Brexit, not Tories.
He's leader of the opposition, how can those things NOT be relevant? If you want a proper debate and discussion you won't get it if you just refer to your own set of data which shows what you want to see, as well as excluding any related details which build bigger pictures.

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Many commentors on this thread are happy to vote for anyone who will oppose the Tories.
Most people just want someone in power that will actually lead the country and do a good job.

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As usual: Every country gets the leader it deserves.
As the Tories are chewing through their second unelected leader, I'd say there are exceptions to the rule but, on the whole, yep probably.
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1. The government didn't dig up anything. the media did.
2. Corbyn honoring the terrorists in Tunisia in 2014 (not a decade ago) was published by Corbyn himself in 2014.
3. The current UK government reduced unemployment to the lowest level since 1975. hardly a "mire of mess".
4. whatever brought Corbyn's antisemitism to public knowledge this week is not relevant - what is relevant are the man, his opinions and actions. shooting the messenger won't erase that.
Yeah, a man who has campaigned his entire life against all forms of racism, was actually a massive jew-hater throughout and just happened to be amazing at covering his tracks. He was so good at it that he released the pictures himself.

If you believe that, then me and you need to talk, i have a bridge i think you'll definitely be interested in purchasing.
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Yeah, a man who has campaigned his entire life against all forms of racism, was actually a massive jew-hater throughout and just happened to be amazing at covering his tracks. He was so good at it that he released the pictures himself.

If you believe that, then me and you need to talk, i have a bridge i think you'll definitely be interested in purchasing.
Welcome to the thread. perhaps you didn't read all the post so I'll summurize it for you:

1. Corbyn has a long history of associating & supporting antisemites and murderers.
2. This has been known for years.
3. Whenever an example of his behaviour is published his supporters can't deny it so they try to shift the discussion (brexit, horrible tories, trump...).

P.S. - had Corbyn done anything against brexit before the referendum, the result would have been different.
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Welcome to the thread. perhaps you didn't read all the post so I'll summurize it for you:

1. Corbyn has a long history of associating & supporting antisemites and murderers.
2. This has been known for years.
3. Whenever an example of his behaviour is published his supporters can't deny it so they try to shift the discussion (brexit, horrible tories, trump...).

P.S. - had Corbyn done anything against brexit before the referendum, the result would have been different.
Alolow me to return the extremely condescending favour.

1. Corbyn is a politician. That means he will need to associate with unsavory people. Welcome to Politics 101. Associating with unsavory people is how peace is forged. Case in point, Northern Ireland is relatively peaceful right now, isn't it? Dont forget that one mans terrorist is nother mans freedom fighter.
2. Known for years but amazingly, its only come to light every day since the tory party started tanking and making a mess of basically everything. What a coincidence.
3. His supporters hold him to the same standard as others in his peer group. Few people think he's gods gift to the world, but most think he is better then the shower of shit leading the country right now. His detractors seem far too idiotic to understand that.

Corbyn wasn't convinced that remaining was the best thing, a point he made clear before the referendum. His position was not one based on false racism, unlike many of his peers, but concern for working conditions. That said, he did see that the UK was stronger in the EU then out. The man didn't wholeheartedly believe in Brexit, but neither in Remain. He didnt lie about the fact though, unlike most of his peer group.
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Meh. All makes a good bun fight in the media, whoever kicked up the dust.

I wish unemployment was the only measure you could use to judge the wellbeing of a nation. If only...

Whatever your feelings about the UK, its government and the media, and indeed Corbyn for that matter - you have to agree it's a jolly good distraction for Brexit, eh?

Actually, there's a new one just broken the headlines - an apparent terror attack in Westminster.

Corbyn is now on the backburner again.
Damn those terrorists, playing up just when the daily mail was working itself into a frenzy like a teenage boy who's just discovered internet porn.

So inconsiderate.
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Old 14.08.2018, 16:12
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Alolow me to return the extremely condescending favour.

1. Corbyn is a politician. That means he will need to associate with unsavory people. Welcome to Politics 101. Associating with unsavory people is how peace is forged. Case in point, Northern Ireland is relatively peaceful right now, isn't it? Dont forget that one mans terrorist is nother mans freedom fighter.
2. Known for years but amazingly, its only come to light every day since the tory party started tanking and making a mess of basically everything. What a coincidence.
3. His supporters hold him to the same standard as others in his peer group. Few people think he's gods gift to the world, but most think he is better then the shower of shit leading the country right now. His detractors seem far too idiotic to understand that.

Corbyn wasn't convinced that remaining was the best thing, a point he made clear before the referendum. His position was not one based on false racism, unlike many of his peers, but concern for working conditions. That said, he did see that the UK was stronger in the EU then out. The man didn't wholeheartedly believe in Brexit, but neither in Remain. He didnt lie about the fact though, unlike most of his peer group.
Corbyn didn't have to associate with terrorists - he was a backbencher. he did it because he sympathised with them and still does.

Conspiracies are history for idiots - everything can be "explained" by conspiracies. societies where conspiracies are common are backward societies.
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Corbyn didn't have to associate with terrorists - he was a backbencher. he did it because he sympathised with them and still does.
You can sympathise with a cause whilst having no truck with violence. If you were to look up 'pacifist' in the dictionary you would see his beardy face.
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You can sympathise with a cause whilst having no truck with violence. If you were to look up 'pacifist' in the dictionary you would see his beardy face.
A pacifist that will only entertain dialog with one side in order to try and prevent violence.
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A pacifist that will only entertain dialog with one side in order to try and prevent violence.
Pretty sure Corbyn will talk to anyone who agrees to talk with him. Has he ever boycotted one side over another?

Even in the current antisemitism debacle, he keeps repeating that the way forward is dialogue. The people not interested in dialogue are the people claiming they are offended by his dialogue, ironically.
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You can sympathise with a cause whilst having no truck with violence. If you were to look up 'pacifist' in the dictionary you would see his beardy face.
A pacifist abhors violence, Corbyn ignores violence. See his position vis-a-vis Iran. or Venezuela. or Russia. or China.

But he has a chance of winning an election. time to bet against the pound.
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Even in the current antisemitism debacle, he keeps repeating that the way forward is dialogue. The people not interested in dialogue are the people claiming they are offended by his dialogue, ironically.
Laying a wreath at the grave of a terrorist who kidnapped, tortured and executed your people in cold blood tends to have that effect.
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Laying a wreath at the grave of a terrorist who kidnapped, tortured and executed your people in cold blood tends to have that effect.
Can i refer you back to the basic truth that peace requires dialogue, no matter what happened 12 years ago at an event that nobody is quite sure what happened at, and which is reported by a very right wing newspaper which has a vested interest in smearing the man.

Of course, if you're happy to keep alive a grudge that didn't exist until recently, in order to maintain a smear which doesn't really stand up on its own two legs, with the aim of extending a tenuous link to terrorism that is clearly nonsense to any reasonable minded person, go for it.

All of this, of course, ignores the fact that his supporters dont support him because he pretends to love jews unconditionally.
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Food for thought:

On July 22nd 1946, the Zionist terrorist organisation 'Irgun' bombed the King David Hotel, the British HQ in Jerusalem. 92 people were killed, 46 injured, many of them British. 17 were Jews.

Netanyahu gave a speech in celebration of this terrorist attack, at an event marking the 60th anniversary. He blamed the British for not evacuating the hotel. The British Ambassador in Tel Aviv went as far as to say "We do not think that it is right for an act of terrorism, which led to the loss of many lives, to be commemorated". The commemoration took place regardless.

Now, compare that to Corbyn laying a wreath 12 years ago to the victims of terrorism.

Ironies abound.
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Food for thought:

On July 22nd 1946, the Zionist terrorist organisation 'Irgun' bombed the King David Hotel, the British HQ in Jerusalem. 92 people were killed, 46 injured, many of them British. 17 were Jews.

Netanyahu gave a speech in celebration of this terrorist attack, at an event marking the 60th anniversary. He blamed the British for not evacuating the hotel. The British Ambassador in Tel Aviv went as far as to say "We do not think that it is right for an act of terrorism, which led to the loss of many lives, to be commemorated". The commemoration took place regardless.

Now, compare that to Corbyn laying a wreath 12 years ago to the victims of terrorism.

Ironies abound.
Netanyahu is not the leader of the Opposition in the British parliament.

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Netanyahu is not the leader of the Opposition in the British parliament.

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He isn't.

But the current British parliament, and many of its members, are happy to do business with him and talk to him (that would be the irony in 'ironies abound')

Which begs the question, why is it OK (according to most of Corbyns detractors) to cozy up to that admitted terrorist sympathizer, and completely ignore the fact that he has celebrated killing innocent Brits, while Corbyn is castigated so vociferously for attending a remembrance ceremony that nobody is actually sure what happened at?
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He isn't.

But the current British parliament, and many of its members, are happy to do business with him and talk to him (that would be the irony in 'ironies abound')

Which begs the question, why is it OK (according to most of Corbyns detractors) to cozy up to that admitted terrorist sympathizer, and completely ignore the fact that he has celebrated killing innocent Brits, while Corbyn is castigated so vociferously for attending a remembrance ceremony that nobody is actually sure what happened at?
Because Corbyn is a slimy little anti-semitic shit.

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Tories, Trump, Boris, some random bomb attack from 1946, and to think I’m the one regularly accused of whataboutism.
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