And all this thread proves is that there are plants who will damn him, irrelevant of the facts of what he does or ever did.

There may well be a 'Corbyn-Cult' but the Anti-Corbyn cult is just as strong.

Politics 101.

Which facts? The fact he was present and this commemoration event? Or the fact that he subsequently lied about it?

As I said earlier in the thread. Trump-esque.

If you're for the guy, you interpret the facts differently to if you are against him. The Trump thread is exactly the same.

Apparently you can be the shadiest scrote on the planet but if you say the right stuff you create a following big enough to get you into office.

It's the future..!


-The problem is that it's not always the person you approve of.

Can you imagine a General Election with Boris vs Jeremy? It would be like Clinton vs Trump all over again!

Be careful what you wish for, it might be uncomfortably closer to reality than you care to think.

Precisely my point.

In some ways, the thought of disenfranchisement next year doesn't seem so bad after all...

What I despair of is the continual cynical, anarchic behaviour of the media and many individuals who are happy for GB to go to hell in a handcart just as long they've managed to sling enough shit at the other side. In just over 6 months we will be facing the biggest constitutional crisis since the war and the most uncertain of futures, and yet the ya-boo politics continues unabated.

I care about the post-Brexit British economy, my kids future, our ability to live and work abroad etc..... and not whether Jeremy Corbyn shook hands with Osama Bin Laden's chauffeur in 1998.

I'm sure that's of absolutely no concern to the average British voter.

What they are concerned about is terrorism on British streets.

Well we know who would be Trump, but Corbyn is not Clintons class, I mean Corbyn is definitely clueless when it comes to media savviness.

It's just disappointing that politics has become so much more polarised in the last decade or so. What happened to reasonable, progressive, centrist, evidence-based politics? The only alternatives we have are the extreme ends of the spectrum, neither of which is particularly appetizing.

The comparison with Trump doesn't really stand either. It's no secret that Boris is determined to get into Number 10 by hook or by crook, whereas the impression I always got of Trump is that he was just doing it for the Lulz and never actually expected to have to do the job for real.

Also, while actually in office, Trump has shown plenty of signs of an authoritarian approach to governance, whereas Boris Johnson has long held strongly liberal views (the article which is currently not being read by all and sundry being an excellent example).

The only real similarities are strange hair and an urge to act the clown.

Regardless, if the only choices are BJ or JC, then Britain is more screwed then we could have ever imagined.

2008 happened, followed by Charlie Hebdo and a failed Arab Spring. The Liberal Democrat suicide on the Tory altar probably didn't help either.

I agree about the extremes - although, once you get through the bullshit, I don't think the poles in politics are any more extreme than they were in, say, 1983. In those days the left wing really was agitating for revolution and there was a thriving and really quite nasty right wing movement to oppose them. Bad times, and there wasn't even the ghost of Brexit haunting the horizon.

It's also worth observing that what we consider "extreme" in the United Kingdom is nothing like what's on offer on the continent. I don't recall the last time an actual fascist or communist had a seat in parliament or had a crack at the premiership. If only the French or the Austrians could say the same.

It'll all come round in the end. I don't like Boris Johnson one little bit, but I can imagine much worse prime ministers. And if Jeremy Corbyn ever gets into number 10, at least he won't stay there very long...

I seem to remember remarking to one of my family, around the early noughties, maybe earlier, that is was a pleasant surprise to see politics in general gravitating to a more moderate, central position. Especially after the polarisation, as you say, of the 80s and early 90s. I suppose this followed the collapse of the Soviet Union and the consequent thawing of relations between east and west. Unfortunately, it didn't seem to last long and I think the EU has a lot to answer for on the rise of more populist movements across Europe.

I voted for Labour in 1997. I think that was Britain's Obama moment.

Blair, followed by Brown, followed by the most smug, complacent prime minister a committee could ever have invented, followed by...

Yeah, it's disappointing. To be honest, as an instinctive "Tory Wet", I had high hopes for the coalition government, but it wasn't to be.

As an aside, I've been following these guys for a while. It's very much a science-based platform for now and although it's primarily a US-based organisation, their platform easily be translated to any political theatre.

Situation so far:
Corbyn lied about his participation.
Corbyn lied about "remembering victims from both sides"
Corbyn failed to disclose who paid for his trip to meet with Terrorists in Tunis (i.e Hamas).

BoJo told a joke about Niqabs.

BoJo told a joke about Niqabs in the middle of a long, intelligent article explaining why the banning of niqabs is an affront to personal freedom.

Meanwhile, nobody cares that Jeremy Corbyn is a slimy little anti-semite.

Thank you for this. Couldn't agree more.. and I have quite enough of the despair. We have no decent political choice those of us who live in the UK and dealing with the fall out everyday.. caught between the crap of both sides.

If it comes to it, I will certainly be voting for Corbyn.

Calling him anti-semite until the cows come home wont make it so.

I'll happily call the man out if i think he is, but i havent seen any evidence to that effect. He keeps questionable company (as do all politicians), and doesn't handle the media very well. He is a grassroots level activist who has been thrust to leader of the opposition, and cannot handle that change.

However, his policies are to the betterment of the UK and its people. What most people seem to forget is that if he was ever to get the key to no 10, it wont matter that he shared a profiterole with the lady that cleans the Hamas accounting office, all that will matter is his policies. but instead of attacking his policies, they attack the man instead. Remember when the tories were mocking him for not wearing expensive, neatly tailored suits? that probably won him more fans then any of his own policies.

Insider tip: you want to ensure he never gets to number 10? convince people his policies wouldn't work. The majority of his supporters (and the British people) dont give a shit that he doesn't think the sun shines out of the Israeli governments arse.

In much the same way, i think Boris isnt racist either, just incredibly stupid. I can see the argument that he's courting the right of the Tory party, possibly because they are getting more powerful and it would behoove him to have their support in the event of a leadership bid. However, i also believe the policies he espouses will not benefit the majority of the people of the UK, and only the wealthiest minority will see a significant uptick in their circumstances in the event of another tory government.

Insider tip 2: If you want the next government to be Tory, convince people that tory policies will actually improve their lot in life.