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Nothing says "Labour is not not an antisemitic party" better than voting for an antisemite.
The double negative there made me think of Humphrey Appleby from Yes Minister.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah

From Corbyn's proposed (and today, rejected) amendment to the IHRA definition...

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This is the incendiary part of what ⁦@jeremycorbyn⁩ wanted the NEC to accept as clarification of IHRA on antisemitism - which he withdrew when clear he would be defeated...

"Nor should it be regarded as antisemitic to describe Israel, it's policies or the circumstances around it's foundation as racist..."
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah

The anatomy of a good ol smear campaign The issue is not whether Corbyn is an anti-semite (he's not BTW), but that he's allowed the other side to create a perception which he's struggling to get ahead of. All the other crap they've thrown at him these last few years he's managed to shrug off, but this is the first that's actually gained traction.

Corbyn’s enemies shoot themselves in the foot



It seems no time at all since Jeremy Corbyn’s opponents were saying that obviously HE wasn’t anti-semitic, but there was some anti-semitism in his Labour Party.

That’s because it IS no time at all – yet now those same people feel able to call him a “vile anti-semite and racist”, as if this is a matter of accepted and undeniable fact.

In just a few weeks Corbyn has gone from “not anti-semitic” to a man who is apparently determined to bring about a new Holocaust – “an existential threat” – if you believe some of his enemies.

It’s been an odd summer.

Some commentators have referred to the “silly season” – that no-news period in the summer months when the media have to focus on something daft to fill their pages and their broadcasts – but this goes way beyond silly.

So what has emboldened these people to throw their libellous smears at someone who has spent his whole life fighting racism and bigotry?

Of course, as ever, we don’t have to look too far. When Margaret Hodge – the Labour MP, don’t forget, who led the ill-fated 2016 coup against Corbyn – yelled at him that he was “a fu**ng racist and anti-semite”, it was no accident. All her allies rushed to her aid, saying she was simply “passionate” about anti-semitism, but it wasn’t as simple as that.

She knew she would be subject to a disciplinary proceeding (who wouldn’t be if they yelled a disgusting slander like that at a colleague in the workplace?), but she wasn’t going to back down.

It wasn’t passionate – it was cold and calculated. If it had been said in the heat of the moment, she could just have apologised and everyone would have moved on. Instead, she brought in expensive lawyers Mishcon de Reya to quibble about procedures.

Hodge knew that if SHE got away with such name-calling, then that would change the narrative. And it worked. From that point on, it became “acceptable” to call Corbyn a racist and anti-semite – and his opponents have taken full advantage.

Hodge’s own words became the splash headline in the Jewish Chronicle, a paper whose editor Stephen Pollard has said in the past that “the Left, in any recognisable form, is now the enemy”.

And it wasn’t just Corbyn. Now it is pretty much impossible to comment on this issue on social media without quickly being labelled anti-semitic or “part of the problem”. Pollard himself, knowing nothing of me, accused me on Twitter of not giving a damn about the Jews.

It’s open season.

And why? Simple. Theresa May’s government is in serious trouble, so obviously a smokescreen is needed to hide her difficulties. But it goes way beyond that.

It’s not impossible that we could be fighting another general election campaign before too long, and that could very easily lead to a Corbyn-led Labour government. That is a major fear for Israel, given Corbyn’s well-known support for the Palestinians. But it goes a lot further even than that.

There are many vested interests that are desperate to avoid a Corbyn-led government. The privately-owned media in this country, obviously – and they are doing their very best to prevent it. Any business that fears that it might be subjected to fairer employment or taxation legislation. The money men who are terrified that the era of uncontrolled exploitation of capital is in danger of coming to an end.

So many people hold profitable stakes in the status quo that the odds are clearly stacked against Labour. And we’ve seen that in recent weeks with smear after smear.

Jeremy Hunt, plagiarising a Daily Mail re-run non-story, told the BBC that Corbyn was present at the funeral of terrorists in Tunisia. Never mind that it wasn’t a funeral, or that the terrorists aren’t even buried in Tunisia, or that it was actually a peace conference also attended by a Tory peer, or that the wreath-laying was to commemorate an Israeli massacre of civilians that was even condemned by Margaret Thatcher at the time. Don’t let the facts spoil a good story, eh?

Any reader of the Mail, the Sun, the Telegraph, or any other Tory-supporting newspaper could be forgiven for thinking that anti-semitism is rife in the Labour Party and that it began only when Corbyn became leader.

Except it isn’t and it didn’t.

The annual survey of the Campaign Against Antisemitism, a Jewish organisation, reveals that there is more anti-semitism among Tories than among Labour supporters – and that levels of anti-semitism have FALLEN in Labour since Corbyn became leader. Facts… who needs ‘em?

Of course, what is really worrying about all of this for those of us who believe anti-semitism is an issue to be taken seriously and not just used as a playground taunt is the “boy who cried wolf” effect.

Last year the Institute for Jewish Policy Research conducted a major survey of attitudes towards Jews and found that levels of anti-semitism in the UK were among the lowest in the world. The fear is that the gratuitous throwing around of anti-semitism accusations will devalue their impact, so that genuine accusations will be taken less seriously in the future.

There are already signs that Corbyn’s opponents have pushed this too far. In my training to become a therapist, I was taught that therapeutic suggestions don’t have to be true – they only need to be credible. And this is where the Corbyn-haters have gone wrong.

You only have to look at Corbyn’s record to know that he has never been “a vile racist”, so it doesn’t matter how many times that is repeated on social media, it won’t make it any more credible.

Look at the speech Corbyn made at the 80th anniversary of the Cable Street anti-fascist demonstration, and how emotional he became when talking of how his mother lined up to protect the Jews of the East End against Oswald Mosley’s blackshirts.

The allegations against him are simply not credible.

And this hasn’t gone unnoticed.

At the beginning of this week, Corbyn’s enemies were probably congratulating themselves on another great job of undermining him. I doubt they are laughing so much now.

First, one opinion poll showed that Labour had taken a two percentage-point lead over the Tories, reversing a similar deficit. Then another had Labour coming from five points behind to lead the Tories by two.

It seems the British public is not as easy to fool as some of Corbyn’s enemies believed. Perhaps, in their own excitement over the anti-semitism row they manufactured, they have pushed credibility that little bit too far.

Or maybe quite a big bit too far.

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah

Many examples of Corbyn's antisemitism were posted in this thread. As a mod you should have read them. Yet you chose to ignore them and post a long article which can be summed up to : "Corbyn can't be an antisemite, his mother was in cable street".

Latest: his failed suggestion to call Israel (not even the Israeli government) a racist country.

According to the IHRA definition, which Labour finally adopted, many of Corbyn's statements are Antisemitic.

Which is exactly why Corbyn didn't want it to happen.
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Ex-Edinburgh council chief Susan Dalgety quits, claiming party she loved is dead

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I am leaving the Labour Party, the organisation that has been a huge part of my life since I joined, as young mother, in 1980.

I met my husband through the party, made lifelong friends, worked for a Labour First Minister. I was even lucky enough to be a Labour councillor for seven years, on Edinburgh City Council.

I marched behind Labour banners, delivered countless leaflets, cried at election results, especially in 1997 when we won that famous landslide. I was Labour for life…or so I thought.

Then came Saturday, 12 September 2015.

As Jeremy Corbyn was announced as leader of our party, I turned to my husband, and said, through tears, “well, our party has just been subject of a hostile takeover…we are finished.”

And so it has turned out. The hostile takeover is complete. An unlikely coalition of grumpy old blokes in Lenin caps and wide-eyed Millennials in Converse, aided and abetted by some sinister apparatchiks, now controls our party. The numbers are against us.

I have no heart to go over the reasons I am leaving…there are too many…but in the final analysis it boils down to this: the Labour Party I loved is dead.

I am not anti-Semitic, I am not pro-Brexit and I don’t believe a command economy will work in Britain.

And I am no longer a member of the Labour Party.

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The Labour Party is destroying itself. Delicious.

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It's a bit disappointing that you chose to quote an article in full, making it look like this was your own content. Only right at the end is it apparent that you've just cut and pasted from a published piece of journalism.
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It's a bit disappointing that you chose to quote an article in full, making it look like this was your own content. Only right at the end is it apparent that you've just cut and pasted from a published piece of journalism.
Not even journalism - it's a personal blog with many factual mistakes.

nice work, Mod.
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Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

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"There [are] lots of people associated with me who feel that the Labour Party is lost, that the game's over," he said.

"I am hoping they are not right."

But he said the anti-Semitism row that had engulfed the party was "bad because it has been, in the end, something that I just can't imagine ever having happened in the Labour Party that I joined".

"I can't imagine that we have had three to four months debating over something where we have profoundly insulted the Jewish community in our country," Mr Blair said.

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And he rejected comparisons to the early 1980s, when left-winger Michael Foot, who was against EU membership and nuclear weapons and in favour of nationalising industry, was Labour leader.

He said Mr Foot was not as left wing as Mr Corbyn and had tried to expel members of the left-wing Militant Tendency from the party.
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It's a bit disappointing that you chose to quote an article in full, making it look like this was your own content. Only right at the end is it apparent that you've just cut and pasted from a published piece of journalism.
Surely as a mod, Castro should know that when you quote something, you put it in quotes. He may not be aware there is an icon for that in the message control panel.

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Surely as a mod, Castro should know that when you quote something, you put it in quotes.
You'd have thought so, wouldn't you, although he's not been wearing his mod hat so much recently, so perhaps he's just forgotten
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In Castro's defence, I think the headline in a larger font, immediately followed by a press photograph, made it pretty clear that he had reproduced an article.

There aren't many members of EF who begin their posts with a title, are there?
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There aren't many members of EF who begin their posts with a title, are there?
Maybe it was just me and my morning brain, but the title seemed to go with the photograph and I honestly didn't realise the rest was also quoted until quite some way through reading it.

Content-wise, it didn't seem that coherent an argument, seeming to rely on simple accusations of conspiracy theories, such as "And why? Simple. Theresa May’s government is in serious trouble, so obviously a smokescreen is needed to hide her difficulties.".

So apparently all the antisemitic stuff is just invented by his political opponents, and the fact that the Labour party freely admits that it's spent the last four months trying to tackle antisemitism witin the party is presumably just them being taken in by their opponents spin-doctors. Yeah, right.

As an old-school (ex) tory myself I can't help but be pleased to see the Labor Party in such disarray, but sadly that leaves no effective opposition or alternative to the brexiteers who seem determined to assert themselves and the country's independence regardless of economic or social repercussions. I really don't know who I'd vote for if I still lived in the UK. Whoever seemed to be displaying the most common sense, I suppose, although I don't know if anyone is, TBH.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah

Was just doing a bit of Googling to see if Jeremy Corbyn had praised Scandinavian-style socialism (can't find anything, but perhaps it's out there) and found this:

Jeremy Corbyn – a mainstream [Scandinavian] social democrat

If there's any truth in that, it begs the question of why so many of the parliamentary party were (still are?) against him.
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Maybe it was just me and my morning brain, but the title seemed to go with the photograph and I honestly didn't realise the rest was also quoted until quite some way through reading it.

Content-wise, it didn't seem that coherent an argument, seeming to rely on simple accusations of conspiracy theories, such as "And why? Simple. Theresa May’s government is in serious trouble, so obviously a smokescreen is needed to hide her difficulties.".

So apparently all the antisemitic stuff is just invented by his political opponents, and the fact that the Labour party freely admits that it's spent the last four months trying to tackle antisemitism witin the party is presumably just them being taken in by their opponents spin-doctors. Yeah, right.

As an old-school (ex) tory myself I can't help but be pleased to see the Labor Party in such disarray, but sadly that leaves no effective opposition or alternative to the brexiteers who seem determined to assert themselves and the country's independence regardless of economic or social repercussions. I really don't know who I'd vote for if I still lived in the UK. Whoever seemed to be displaying the most common sense, I suppose, although I don't know if anyone is, TBH.
I agree. The lack of a viable opposition is appalling for democracy, and the lack of any decent parties - in particular, a party for natural conservatives who don't tend towards utter dickheadery - is depressing. Add to that the current situation where ordinary voters are belittled for having "voted for the wrong thing" (hey, I didn't bugger up Brexit - I just exercised my democratic rights, on principle and in good faith), and I can't see myself bothering with British politics ever again.

It's a bit crap, really, considering that I don't have political rights anywhere else in the world...
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Agreed.
I'm increasingly wary of anyone who believes they have a natural political home in the current climate. Far too many narcissists, extremists and bullies for my liking.
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The Spectator: Corbyn’s Salisbury response is straight from the Trump playbook

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It is deeply weird that Jeremy Corbyn will not condemn Russia for carrying out a chemical weapons attack on British soil. Actually, it’s beyond weird. It’s astonishing. Earlier this year, Corbyn saw the same intelligence that convinced everyone else – including his closest comrade John McDonnell – that the Salisbury novichok poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia was carried out by Russian agents and approved at the highest levels within the Kremlin. This same evidence was deemed sufficient grounds by 27 countries to expel more than a 150 Russian diplomats. Yet rather than express outrage and condemn what was clearly a peace-time atrocity, Corbyn obfuscated – “assertions and probability are not the same as certainty” – and pulled punches in a way that seemed at best bizarre. He continues to do so now. Why?
Daily Mail: Pressure mounts on Corbyn to say the Russian state IS to blame for Salisbury nerve agent attack after he renews calls for 'cooperation' with Moscow

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Actor and former Labour official Tony Robinson said: 'Brilliant! Looks like Jeremy’s managed to head off the anti-Semitism debacle, at least until after conference... Whoops! 'He’s moved on to advocating cooperation with the Russians on the Novichok they poisoned our citizens with. Doooooh!'
If the perpetrators never see the inside of a court room it seems unlikely that Corbyn will change his tune.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah

Latest in Labour's antisemtism:

One MP (Joan Ryan) deselected becauae she called out Labour's antisemitism - Iranian propaganda channel (which employed Corbyn a few years ago) gleefully broadcasted it. turns out the cameramen is a labour member. birds of feather...

Another MP (Rose Duffield) faced a similar process.

A known "Anti Israel" who defaced a wall in the Warsaw Ghetto will feature in a Labour event with Corbyn.

On other news: Corbyn parliamentary aids denied security clearance.

What's not to like ?
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Hungarian antisemitism is all right with the Tories, though...
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I don't know about the rest of you, but since the Archbishop of Canterbury has spoken up about the failures of the gig economy, worsening poverty etc., I am waiting for him to be hit with something equally as powerful as being antisemitic..

After the loud reaction from the Daily Flap and Osbourne's Evening Standard, someone, somewhere will be presently tinkering with an effective backlash..

Bloody Archbishops - say your prayers and keep those pesky thoughts to yourself, eh?

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