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Is that what they call themselves? Including those who immigrated?
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Old 24.09.2018, 14:46
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Is that what they call themselves? Including those who immigrated?
They were known as Palestinian Jews since the 4th Century.

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Old 28.09.2018, 09:09
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah

Rod Liddle summed up Corbyn pretty well last night.

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/...38264906338305
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Old 28.09.2018, 10:15
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Why don't you suggest the Jews leave for elsewhere instead? Would that be antisemitic? What does that make your post then?
I think that if you read history you will find they already tried that once.
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Old 28.09.2018, 15:07
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I think that if you read history you will find they already tried that once.
If only it was only once...

Meanwhile: Palestinian flags were all the rage in the Labour conference. Corbyn's labour: supporting racist dictators.
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Old 28.09.2018, 15:11
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If only it was only once...

Meanwhile: Palestinian flags were all the rage in the Labour conference. Corbyn's labour: supporting racist dictators.
Why do you think that Palestinians are sub humans who deserve to be treated like shit?
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Old 28.09.2018, 15:51
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah

My question would be...

Why does the current Israeli government still think that Palestinians are sub humans and treats them like shit?

Both sides are right and wrong in this dispute, and it's incredibly unhelpful for any political leader to see it otherwise.
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Old 28.09.2018, 16:00
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Why do you think that Palestinians are sub humans who deserve to be treated like shit?
Palestinians are humans who have constatly chosen bad leaders and nasty allies. granted - most arab nations have down the same.

Israel treats Palestinians in it's hospitals, employs them, provides food, medicine & electricity. Their Arab brethern treat them like shit - but Corbyn & you missed that part.
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Old 28.09.2018, 16:17
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I think that if you read history you will find they already tried that once.
The point is, why one but not the other? Especially with so many immigrated relatively recently.
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Palestinians are humans who have constatly chosen bad leaders and nasty allies. granted - most arab nations have down the same.

Israel treats Palestinians in it's hospitals, employs them, provides food, medicine & electricity. Their Arab brethern treat them like shit - but Corbyn & you missed that part.
After bombing the Palestinean facilities. And because Israel controls all imports.

You missed that part.
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Old 28.09.2018, 19:49
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The point is, why one but not the other? Especially with so many immigrated relatively recently.
After bombing the Palestinean facilities. And because Israel controls all imports.

You missed that part.
"Israel controls all imports" Palestine also has borders with Egypt and Jordan.

Jordan owned the West Bank for some 17 years until they made the poor decision to join in the 6 day war and so lost the West Bank to Israel.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah

Seems Corbyn's got some serious competition...

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“That’s a reasonable point,” Farage told the caller.

“There are about 6 million Jewish people living in America, so as a percentage it’s quite small, but in terms of influence it’s quite big.”
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah

Qatar censors stopped Al Jazeera from airing its "Washington lobby" documentary, allegedly due to... the lobby's influence :-)

Le Monde Diplomatique journalists comments after they have watched it:
English: The truths that won’t be heard
French: Lobby israélien, le documentaire interdit
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To discredit the messenger, as the documentary reveals, the pro-Israel lobby has built up a spy network over the last few years to gather information on opponents’ private lives, careers and political convictions. Baime said: ‘The research operation is very high-tech. When I got here a few years ago the budget was $3,000. Today it’s like a million and a half, or more. Probably it’s two million at this point. I don’t even know, it’s huge. It’s a massive budget.’ He and his colleagues are keen to stay invisible: ‘We do it securely and anonymously. That’s the key.’

‘If you’re a racist, the world should know’

One of the groups most feared by Palestinian rights activists is Canary Mission (7), whose funding, members and methods are shrouded in secrecy. A journalist with close links to the lobby said: ‘People who hate it, the people who are being targeted by it, call it a blacklist. You have names here that showup on this database. Students and professors, faculty, speakers, organisations that have ties to terrorism, outright ties to terrorism, or terrorists who have called for the destruction of the Jewish state.’ Canary Mission’s website describes its aim as being to ‘ensure that today’s radicals are not tomorrow’s employees’. Above the biography of each victim is the slogan ‘If you’re a racist, the world should know’.
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Students recounted in the documentary exactly what they faced. Summer Awad, who took part in a campaign for Palestinian rights in Knoxville, Tennessee, was harassed on Twitter, and information about her, some of it dating back a decade, was posted online: ‘They are digging and digging. Somebody contacted my employer and asked for me to be fired. If they continue to employ me they will be denounced as antisemitic.’ Denunciation can end careers or make it hard for students to find a job after graduation. To get their names off the blacklist, some victims write messages of ‘repentance’, which Canary Mission posts on its site.
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Vaknin-Gil admitted that to gather information, ‘we have FDD. We have others working on this.’ The Foundation for the Defence of Democracies (FDD) is a conservative thinktank that has played an important role in the recent rapprochement between the UAE and Israel. It took part in the 2017 campaign against Qatar and Al Jazeera, which was accused of being a destabilising force in the region. Under US law, organisations and individuals working for foreign governments must register with the Department of Justice. Would the DOJ dare take the FDD to court for failing to register?
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There are other revelations, like the way that TIP takes charge of US journalists visiting Jerusalem and feeds them ready-made stories for publication on their return to the US; how the lobby pays for upscale holidays in Israel for US Congress members, circumventing US law; and how it pressures the media, including news agencies, to amend wires and copy.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah

Labour still has a problem.
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Israel treats Palestinians in it's hospitals, employs them, provides food, medicine & electricity. Their Arab brethern treat them like shit - but Corbyn & you missed that part.
Provides food, medicines and electricity for which the Palestinians are working for. All that agriculture Israel is so proud of, and not only, employs a large number of these folks.....it is a two-ways economic and almost symbiotic relation there. Just one is in the position of "providing" though...I don't think I like that word very much in this context.

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After bombing the Palestinean facilities
You mean the hospitals and schools Hamas used as bases to launch their missiles from?

Allegedly... but I wouldn't put it past them.
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Provides food, medicines and electricity for which the Palestinians are working for. All that agriculture Israel is so proud of employs a large number of these folks.....it is a two-ways economic and almost symbiotic relation there. Just one is in the position of "providing" though...I don't think I like that word very much in this context.
I'm sorry reality offends you. but that's not a good enough reason not be accurate: Israel doesn't have a "symbiotic" relation with the Palestinians. They are a very small part of the work force. The Palestinian leadership made sure of that.

anyway - this thread is about Corbyn and Antisemitism in the Labour party. feel free to add relevant information to the conversation.
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I'm sorry reality offends you. but that's not a good enough reason not be accurate: Israel doesn't have a "symbiotic" relation with the Palestinians. They are a very small part of the work force. The Palestinian leadership made sure of that.

anyway - this thread is about Corbyn and Antisemitism in the Labour party. feel free to add relevant information to the conversation.
It offends me? What are you talking about? Where is the Palestinian work force employed then? I think you were offended by "symbiotic". Of course, you can't have that kind of relation with the Palestinians, I get that. But there must be some sort of economic relations there...
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It offends me? What are you talking about? Where is the Palestinian work force employed then? I think you were offended by "symbiotic". Of course, you can't have that kind of relation with the Palestinians, I get that. But there must be some sort of economic relations there...
There are some economic relations, but very limited - Had you bothered to look up the facts you could see that most Palestinians are not working in or for Israel. Israel's economy is doing ok, the Palestinian - not so much.

Those few Palestinians who are lucky enough to work in Israel have much better conditions then the rest - Corbyn is not happy about it, and supports BDS which tries to limit economic activity with Israel.

Surely the vast Arab and even bigger Muslim world should would be happy to employ and trade with Palestinians, for whom they profess deep love & affection - but somehow this doesn't happen.
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There are some economic relations, but very limited - Had you bothered to look up the facts you could see that most Palestinians are not working in or for Israel. Israel's economy is doing ok, the Palestinian - not so much.

Those few Palestinians who are lucky enough to work in Israel have much better conditions then the rest - Corbyn is not happy about it, and supports BDS which tries to limit economic activity with Israel.

Surely the vast Arab and even bigger Muslim world should would be happy to employ and trade with Palestinians, for whom they profess deep love & affection - but somehow this doesn't happen.
That wall is surely a discouraging factor I think.....the sooner you knock it down, the better. Maybe Israel doesn't do much to attract the new generations, the ones who don't want to be stuck all their lives in this shit.....but then again, maybe Israeli leadership has a problem too.
Anyway, we digress. Sorry for interfering in your thread.
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That wall is surely a discouraging factor I think.....the sooner you knock it down, the better. Maybe Israel doesn't do much to attract the new generations, the ones who don't want to be stuck all their lives in this shit.....but then again, maybe Israeli leadership has a problem too.
Anyway, we digress. Sorry for interfering in your thread.
Like Corbyn, you fail to grasp economic reality - Palestinians would love to have the same access they had to Israeli economy they had until 1987: 1967-1987 were the wonder years of WB & Gaza economy. But once Palestinian leadership managed to create a situation where Palestinians killed their Israeli co-workers & bosses, they became less attractive to employers who wished to live.

Israel doesn't need to attract Palestinian workers, their places were taken by others.
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