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Tom1234 12.07.2019 14:09

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Originally Posted by Mikers (Post 3082544)
labour hard left voters, which is Corbyn's core support. Anyway Labour are getting a kicking at the polls from what I understood and the anti semite stuff is a good piece of it.

I was wondering what Pashosh's perception was.

Guest 12.07.2019 14:16

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You did well to find it - the BBC hid it at the bottom of UK political news, next to MCB complaint about Tory Islamophobia.

Just for balance, the BBC's Panorama did a 60 min documentary on Wed about anti-antisemitism in the Labour party.

You can pick it apart for bias or whatever standards you want to put on it, but it was pretty damning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0006p8c

Pashosh 12.07.2019 14:22

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Are you suggesting British people are anti-semitic or just Labour voters?

Apparently Antisemitism isn't poison at the ballots. It's not important enough for many voters to change their vote .

Guest 12.07.2019 14:34

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Apparently Antisemitism isn't poison at the ballots. It's not important enough for many voters to change their vote .

So? A party is about more than one issue.

It can be poison at the ballot box but, for some people, there are other reasons for voting the way they do.

You can draw a parallel with Trump, for example. Why would anyone disgusted by his past history of sexual abuse or any of his other abhorrent traits vote for him? Clearly, people think past single issues.

Pashosh 12.07.2019 14:55

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So? A party is about more than one issue
Interested in a 1% organic dog sh!t Jogurt ? it's mostly milk products.

Guest 12.07.2019 15:06

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Interested in a 1% organic dog sh!t Jogurt ? it's mostly milk products.

Same as most political parties, then.

Tom1234 12.07.2019 15:19

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Apparently Antisemitism isn't poison at the ballots. It's not important enough for many voters to change their vote .

I guess it's because it's not actually on the party manifesto nor is it party policy. If it was, then people would probably think differently.

I'm sure other politicians have unsavoury views on things but keep quiet.

(For the record, I can't stand Corbyn)

Tom1234 12.07.2019 15:21

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So? A party is about more than one issue.

Hitler built some great motorways :rolleyes:

Pashosh 12.07.2019 15:27

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 3082571)
I guess it's because it's not actually on the party manifesto nor is it party policy. If it was, then people would probably think differently.

I'm sure other politicians have unsavoury views on things but keep quiet.

(For the record, I can't stand Corbyn)

It's a de-facto policy if the party decides to turn a blind eye and promote people whose antisemitic views are known. Antisemites are drawn to the Labour party for these reasons.

Pashosh 12.07.2019 15:35

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Same as most political parties, then.
Other major uk parties don't seem to have such a problem with antisemitism.

Guest 12.07.2019 15:40

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Other major uk parties don't seem to have such a problem with antisemitism.

Maybe not, maybe so, but I was alluding to your non-specific...

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Interested in a 1% organic dog sh!t Jogurt ? it's mostly milk products.

Every "other major uk party" (there are only really two or maybe three :confused:) will have its own form of dog shit.

It's just the antisemitism aspect of the Labour Party which is your personal dog-whistle. For other people, it's other "dog shit" which presses their buttons.

What's your rather over-the-top interest anyway? Are you a UK voter? :confused:

Pashosh 12.07.2019 16:00

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Maybe not, maybe so, but I was alluding to your non-specific...
If you don't know don't comment.

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Every "other major uk party" (there are only really two or maybe three :confused:) will have its own form of dog shit.

It's just the antisemitism aspect of the Labour Party which is your personal dog-whistle. For other people, it's other "dog shit" which presses their buttons.

What's your rather over-the-top interest anyway? Are you a UK voter? :confused:
Antisemitism is bad for my health, it killed most of my family.

Guest 12.07.2019 16:31

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If you don't know don't comment.

You didn't understand my post. :msnsarcastic:

Look, you are clearly attempting to understand a political system you aren't even close to and is clearly very different to whichever country you come from and refuse to look at any point of view that isn't steadfastly in line with your own narrow view so good luck with that.

Pashosh 12.07.2019 16:35

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Are you suggesting British people are anti-semitic or just Labour voters?

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I'm sure it was terrible but are you actually saying people shouldn't vote for the Labour Party because of it? Don't you think perhaps you are so heavily emotionally biased you are having trouble being objective?
Does this answer your question Tom ? Antisemitism is not considered a taboo in the UK.

Tom1234 12.07.2019 16:41

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Every "other major uk party" (there are only really two or maybe three :confused:) will have its own form of dog shit.

What exactly did you have in mind?

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It's just the antisemitism aspect of the Labour Party which is your personal dog-whistle. For other people, it's other "dog shit" which presses their buttons.

What's your rather over-the-top interest anyway? Are you a UK voter? :confused:
I'm a U.K. voter and I find Corbyn's comments and actions pretty unsavoury, and I'm not Jewish.

Guest 12.07.2019 16:44

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Does this answer your question Tom ? Antisemitism is not considered a taboo in the UK.

That is not antisemitism.

You are describing a protest vote.

There are Jewish people in the Labour Party. If you chose not to vote Labour BECAUSE there are Jewish people in the Labour Party THAT would be antisemitic.

You are actually cheapening and sullying the definition of antisemitism by using it as a cosh to beat anyone who isn't as extremist as yourself, and it's toe-curling.

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I'm a U.K. voter and I find Corbyn's comments and actions pretty unsavoury, and I'm not Jewish.

Exactly the same for me (my comment wasn't aimed at you). The element of the Labour Party which is responsible for the antisemitism is relatively new to the party. Old Labour isn't affected.

Mikers 12.07.2019 16:48

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That is not antisemitism.

You are describing a protest vote.

There are Jewish people in the Labour Party. If you chose not to vote Labour BECAUSE there are Jewish people in the Labour Party THAT would be antisemitic.

You are actually cheapening and sullying the definition of antisemitism by using it as a cosh to beat anyone who isn't as extremist as yourself, and it's toe-curling.
Cmon man, you really can't defend labour on this point. They've got some novel ideas in other areas but they are stone cold certain haters of israel. Corbyn hangs out with hezbollah, they have downgraded endless antisemitism enquiries, they gave a peerage to Chakrabhati in swap for her whitewash report on antisemitism in the party.

Other parties do have their own bits of dogshit, but they are small poodle like droppings compared to the steaming elephant lump that is labour's views on jewish people.

And it is hurting them in the polls. And as for having jews in their party, the Jewish Labour Movement has said publicly its at its wits end with corbyn.

Guest 12.07.2019 16:55

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Originally Posted by Mikers (Post 3082610)
Cmon man, you really can't defend labour on this point. They've got some novel ideas in other areas but they are stone cold certain haters of israel. Corbyn hangs out with hezbollah, they have downgraded endless antisemitism enquiries, they gave a peerage to Chakrabhati in swap for her whitewash report on antisemitism in the party.

Other parties do have their own bits of dogshit, but they are small poodle like droppings compared to the steaming elephant lump that is labour's views on jewish people.

And it is hurting them in the polls. And as for having jews in their party, the Jewish Labour Movement has said publicly its at its wits end with corbyn.

I'm not defending them. I just find the extremist stance of Pashosh unhelpful. To intimate that anyone in the UK that votes for Labour is antisemitic is pretty off the mark. My point originally was that people vote for Labour for a variety of reasons (lifelong supporter, only decent councillor in their area, they like Jess Phillips, whatever). To point the finger at them and say they are therefore antisemitic is pretty offensive, actually.

Again, I wouldn't vote for Labour but neither would I vote Tory either.

Politics is shit at the moment but it doesn't make people antisemitic by default.

Clearly I'm alone in thinking Pashosh's POV is slightly unhinged, but hey it's Friday afterall. :dunno:

Pashosh 12.07.2019 18:18

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I'm not defending them. I just find the extremist stance of Pashosh unhelpful. To intimate that anyone in the UK that votes for Labour is antisemitic is pretty off the mark. My point originally was that people vote for Labour for a variety of reasons (lifelong supporter, only decent councillor in their area, they like Jess Phillips, whatever). To point the finger at them and say they are therefore antisemitic is pretty offensive, actually.

Again, I wouldn't vote for Labour but neither would I vote Tory either.

Politics is shit at the moment but it doesn't make people antisemitic by default.

Clearly I'm alone in thinking Pashosh's POV is slightly unhinged, but hey it's Friday afterall. :dunno:
Twisting my words and calling names. nice.

You said again and again that antisemitism isn't a good enough reason not to vote for a party.

By this logic - had the Labour Party been KKK-Friendly, would it be ok for non blacks to vote for it ?

Guest 14.07.2019 09:12

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Looks like the Tories are suffering from that ‘poison at the ballot box’ thing, too...

Vote Greens? LibDems? Is the Monster Raving Loony Party still a thing?


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