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Old 12.07.2019, 14:09
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah

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labour hard left voters, which is Corbyn's core support. Anyway Labour are getting a kicking at the polls from what I understood and the anti semite stuff is a good piece of it.
I was wondering what Pashosh's perception was.
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Old 12.07.2019, 14:16
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You did well to find it - the BBC hid it at the bottom of UK political news, next to MCB complaint about Tory Islamophobia.
Just for balance, the BBC's Panorama did a 60 min documentary on Wed about anti-antisemitism in the Labour party.

You can pick it apart for bias or whatever standards you want to put on it, but it was pretty damning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0006p8c
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Old 12.07.2019, 14:22
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Are you suggesting British people are anti-semitic or just Labour voters?
Apparently Antisemitism isn't poison at the ballots. It's not important enough for many voters to change their vote .
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Old 12.07.2019, 14:34
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Apparently Antisemitism isn't poison at the ballots. It's not important enough for many voters to change their vote .
So? A party is about more than one issue.

It can be poison at the ballot box but, for some people, there are other reasons for voting the way they do.

You can draw a parallel with Trump, for example. Why would anyone disgusted by his past history of sexual abuse or any of his other abhorrent traits vote for him? Clearly, people think past single issues.
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Old 12.07.2019, 14:55
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So? A party is about more than one issue
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Old 12.07.2019, 15:06
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Same as most political parties, then.
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Old 12.07.2019, 15:19
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Apparently Antisemitism isn't poison at the ballots. It's not important enough for many voters to change their vote .
I guess it's because it's not actually on the party manifesto nor is it party policy. If it was, then people would probably think differently.

I'm sure other politicians have unsavoury views on things but keep quiet.

(For the record, I can't stand Corbyn)
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Old 12.07.2019, 15:21
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So? A party is about more than one issue.
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Old 12.07.2019, 15:27
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I guess it's because it's not actually on the party manifesto nor is it party policy. If it was, then people would probably think differently.

I'm sure other politicians have unsavoury views on things but keep quiet.

(For the record, I can't stand Corbyn)
It's a de-facto policy if the party decides to turn a blind eye and promote people whose antisemitic views are known. Antisemites are drawn to the Labour party for these reasons.
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Old 12.07.2019, 15:35
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Same as most political parties, then.
Other major uk parties don't seem to have such a problem with antisemitism.
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Old 12.07.2019, 15:40
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Other major uk parties don't seem to have such a problem with antisemitism.
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Every "other major uk party" (there are only really two or maybe three ) will have its own form of dog shit.

It's just the antisemitism aspect of the Labour Party which is your personal dog-whistle. For other people, it's other "dog shit" which presses their buttons.

What's your rather over-the-top interest anyway? Are you a UK voter?
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Old 12.07.2019, 16:00
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Every "other major uk party" (there are only really two or maybe three ) will have its own form of dog shit.

It's just the antisemitism aspect of the Labour Party which is your personal dog-whistle. For other people, it's other "dog shit" which presses their buttons.

What's your rather over-the-top interest anyway? Are you a UK voter?
Antisemitism is bad for my health, it killed most of my family.
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Old 12.07.2019, 16:31
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If you don't know don't comment.
You didn't understand my post.

Look, you are clearly attempting to understand a political system you aren't even close to and is clearly very different to whichever country you come from and refuse to look at any point of view that isn't steadfastly in line with your own narrow view so good luck with that.
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Old 12.07.2019, 16:35
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I'm sure it was terrible but are you actually saying people shouldn't vote for the Labour Party because of it? Don't you think perhaps you are so heavily emotionally biased you are having trouble being objective?
Does this answer your question Tom ? Antisemitism is not considered a taboo in the UK.
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Old 12.07.2019, 16:41
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Every "other major uk party" (there are only really two or maybe three ) will have its own form of dog shit.
What exactly did you have in mind?

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It's just the antisemitism aspect of the Labour Party which is your personal dog-whistle. For other people, it's other "dog shit" which presses their buttons.

What's your rather over-the-top interest anyway? Are you a UK voter?
I'm a U.K. voter and I find Corbyn's comments and actions pretty unsavoury, and I'm not Jewish.
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Old 12.07.2019, 16:44
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Does this answer your question Tom ? Antisemitism is not considered a taboo in the UK.
That is not antisemitism.

You are describing a protest vote.

There are Jewish people in the Labour Party. If you chose not to vote Labour BECAUSE there are Jewish people in the Labour Party THAT would be antisemitic.

You are actually cheapening and sullying the definition of antisemitism by using it as a cosh to beat anyone who isn't as extremist as yourself, and it's toe-curling.

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I'm a U.K. voter and I find Corbyn's comments and actions pretty unsavoury, and I'm not Jewish.
Exactly the same for me (my comment wasn't aimed at you). The element of the Labour Party which is responsible for the antisemitism is relatively new to the party. Old Labour isn't affected.
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That is not antisemitism.

You are describing a protest vote.

There are Jewish people in the Labour Party. If you chose not to vote Labour BECAUSE there are Jewish people in the Labour Party THAT would be antisemitic.

You are actually cheapening and sullying the definition of antisemitism by using it as a cosh to beat anyone who isn't as extremist as yourself, and it's toe-curling.
Cmon man, you really can't defend labour on this point. They've got some novel ideas in other areas but they are stone cold certain haters of israel. Corbyn hangs out with hezbollah, they have downgraded endless antisemitism enquiries, they gave a peerage to Chakrabhati in swap for her whitewash report on antisemitism in the party.

Other parties do have their own bits of dogshit, but they are small poodle like droppings compared to the steaming elephant lump that is labour's views on jewish people.

And it is hurting them in the polls. And as for having jews in their party, the Jewish Labour Movement has said publicly its at its wits end with corbyn.
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Old 12.07.2019, 16:55
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Cmon man, you really can't defend labour on this point. They've got some novel ideas in other areas but they are stone cold certain haters of israel. Corbyn hangs out with hezbollah, they have downgraded endless antisemitism enquiries, they gave a peerage to Chakrabhati in swap for her whitewash report on antisemitism in the party.

Other parties do have their own bits of dogshit, but they are small poodle like droppings compared to the steaming elephant lump that is labour's views on jewish people.

And it is hurting them in the polls. And as for having jews in their party, the Jewish Labour Movement has said publicly its at its wits end with corbyn.
I'm not defending them. I just find the extremist stance of Pashosh unhelpful. To intimate that anyone in the UK that votes for Labour is antisemitic is pretty off the mark. My point originally was that people vote for Labour for a variety of reasons (lifelong supporter, only decent councillor in their area, they like Jess Phillips, whatever). To point the finger at them and say they are therefore antisemitic is pretty offensive, actually.

Again, I wouldn't vote for Labour but neither would I vote Tory either.

Politics is shit at the moment but it doesn't make people antisemitic by default.

Clearly I'm alone in thinking Pashosh's POV is slightly unhinged, but hey it's Friday afterall.
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Old 12.07.2019, 18:18
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I'm not defending them. I just find the extremist stance of Pashosh unhelpful. To intimate that anyone in the UK that votes for Labour is antisemitic is pretty off the mark. My point originally was that people vote for Labour for a variety of reasons (lifelong supporter, only decent councillor in their area, they like Jess Phillips, whatever). To point the finger at them and say they are therefore antisemitic is pretty offensive, actually.

Again, I wouldn't vote for Labour but neither would I vote Tory either.

Politics is shit at the moment but it doesn't make people antisemitic by default.

Clearly I'm alone in thinking Pashosh's POV is slightly unhinged, but hey it's Friday afterall.
Twisting my words and calling names. nice.

You said again and again that antisemitism isn't a good enough reason not to vote for a party.

By this logic - had the Labour Party been KKK-Friendly, would it be ok for non blacks to vote for it ?
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Old 14.07.2019, 09:12
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah

Looks like the Tories are suffering from that ‘poison at the ballot box’ thing, too...

Vote Greens? LibDems? Is the Monster Raving Loony Party still a thing?
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