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Pashosh 19.11.2019 14:23

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You misunderstood my post.

Basically you seem only capable of seeing racism against Jews and conveniently ignore or dismiss any other demonstrated by Boris Johnson.

Again, this doesn't seem to be making Johnson unelectable in the same way as it doesn't make Corbyn unelectable in that particular subject. You seem fine with Johnson's attitude towards various races and minorities but not fine with Corbyn's.

Hope that helps.
I did, you are correct.

However- Johnson is far less racist than Corbyn.

He didn't work for a genocidal media
He didn't support racists (even convicted criminals)
He didn't participat and spoke in Racist demonstrations
No minority MPs were hounded out of his party

amogles 19.11.2019 14:30

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 3121993)
A lot of what Johnson has written and said and which is considered anti-islamic, sexist, racist and so on, he wrote in his capacity as a journalist and a columnist.

It may be wrong but it's what he did - in the same way Jeremy Clarkson did and does. It sells papers, magazines, and in Mr. Clarkson's case, made the BBC a lot of money.

I'm not condoning what Johnson has written - and some of the stuff he wrote years ago is pretty abhorrent now - but at the time suited the target audience, be it GQ or The Spectator.

That is sort of suggesting that writing borderline racist stuff is OK as long as you do it for commercial purposes, but it's not Ok if you actually believe it?

Boris' racism is in the name calling and silliness category. Corbyn's racism is more in terms of conspiring with people who make bombs.

I know that's not what you're saying but that's how it sounds or can be interpreted.

How about, maybe some forms of racism are worse than others, but all forms are unnacceptable and wrong?

Blueangel 19.11.2019 14:35

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Originally Posted by Pashosh (Post 3121996)
I did, you are correct.

However- Johnson is far less racist than Corbyn.

He didn't work for a genocidal media
He didn't support racists (even convicted criminals)
He didn't participat and spoke in Racist demonstrations
No minority MPs were hounded out of his party

:eek::eek::eek:

Tom1234 19.11.2019 14:38

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Originally Posted by amogles (Post 3122001)
That is sort of suggesting that writing borderline racist stuff is OK as long as you do it for commercial purposes, but it's not Ok if you actually believe it?

Boris may well believe in it too. But he's not acting on it (at the moment).

k_and_e 19.11.2019 14:45

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Originally Posted by amogles (Post 3122001)
That is sort of suggesting that writing borderline racist stuff is OK as long as you do it for commercial purposes, but it's not Ok if you actually believe it?

Boris' racism is in the name calling and silliness category. Corbyn's racism is more in terms of conspiring with people who make bombs.

I know that's not what you're saying but that's how it sounds or can be interpreted.

How about, maybe some forms of racism are worse than others, but all forms are unnacceptable and wrong?


That's getting too close to "all pigs are equal but some are more equal than others"...

MidfieldGeneral 19.11.2019 14:45

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Originally Posted by Pashosh (Post 3121996)
I did, you are correct.

However- Johnson is far less racist than Corbyn.

He didn't work for a genocidal media
He didn't support racists (even convicted criminals)
He didn't participat and spoke in Racist demonstrations
No minority MPs were hounded out of his party

what a load of bullsh*t, and that coming from someone who thinks all palestinians are sub humans

Blueangel 19.11.2019 14:50

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Originally Posted by Pashosh (Post 3121996)
However- Johnson is far less racist than Corbyn.

The Jewish family member that I'm closest to is a black, West Indian. He doesn't take kindly to being told he's a 'pickaninny with a watermelon smile'.

Pashosh 19.11.2019 15:03

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Originally Posted by MidfieldGeneral (Post 3122013)
what a load of bullsh*t, and that coming from someone who thinks all palestinians are sub humans

Yet again you lie - I never referred to anyone as sub human.

Corbyn did all of the above. it's well documeneted.

But never mind - Brexit is more important.

Guest 19.11.2019 15:06

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Originally Posted by Pashosh (Post 3122020)
But never mind - Brexit is more important.

Finally he gets it.

Pashosh 19.11.2019 15:18

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Originally Posted by Blueangel (Post 3122014)
The Jewish family member that I'm closest to is a black, West Indian. He doesn't take kindly to being told he's a 'pickaninny with a watermelon smile'.

Black and Jewish. that's a tough gig.

Guest 19.11.2019 15:23

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Originally Posted by Pashosh (Post 3121996)
No minority MPs were hounded out of his party

Depends if the minority you are taking about has "ethnic" it front of it...

Guest 19.11.2019 15:24

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Originally Posted by Pashosh (Post 3122025)
Black and Jewish. that's a tough gig.

That's what Sammy Davis Jr always said. That and the glass eye.

Blueangel 19.11.2019 15:37

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Originally Posted by Pashosh (Post 3122025)
Black and Jewish. that's a tough gig.

It comes from having Jewish plantation owners in the West Indies and Caribbean. The slaves had to become the same faith as the owner.

Pashosh 19.11.2019 15:54

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Originally Posted by Blueangel (Post 3122037)
It comes from having Jewish plantation owners in the West Indies and Caribbean. The slaves had to become the same faith as the owner.

Off topic: Are you sure ? any resources ?

TonyClifton 19.11.2019 16:01

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It simply isn't.

People haven't said anti-Semitism is anything less than unspeakable. However is is you who is seemingly incapable of understanding the current British polticial climate.

And no, at the moment, in the UK, if you actually have spent any time at all there in recent times, there is nothing bigger than Brexit. Apart from the Prince Andrew chaos which, tbh, smacks of further easy distractions.
I don't know, wasn't it you that said duplicity and adultery were worse than antisemitism?

Itís a great shame, and a failure of society in general that people are unable to empathise with the fear and frustration many Jews in the UK feel at the moment.

Rob 19.11.2019 16:01

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Originally Posted by Pashosh (Post 3121996)
I did, you are correct.

However- Johnson is far less racist than Corbyn.

He didn't work for a genocidal media
He didn't support racists (even convicted criminals)
He didn't participat and spoke in Racist demonstrations
No minority MPs were hounded out of his party

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Guest 19.11.2019 16:10

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Originally Posted by TonyClifton (Post 3122040)
I don't know, wasn't it you that said duplicity and adultery were worse than antisemitism?

Itís a great shame, and a failure of society in general that people are unable to empathise with the fear and frustration many Jews in the UK feel at the moment.

You really need to work on your reading skills. You've got 'spin' down though. :rolleyes: I shall use small words.

No. I said that IMO Corbyn is better than Johnson. I do not like Johnson at all. Johnson is bad. Corbyn is less bad. I

I have said many times that anti-Semitism is vile. I agree with that. What you are persistently unable to understand is that antisemitism is not a hot political issue in the UK.

The rest of it is your desperate spin because you clearly have no other points to make so try and twist words and meanings instead.

Pashosh 19.11.2019 16:25

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Originally Posted by TonyClifton (Post 3122040)
I don't know, wasn't it you that said duplicity and adultery were worse than antisemitism?

Itís a great shame, and a failure of society in general that people are unable to empathise with the fear and frustration many Jews in the UK feel at the moment.

Come on tony, why are you so stubborn. It's not about the Jews, it's about Brexit.

Even if Corbyn would blow up buses some people would still vote for him because, you know, Brexit.

Even if Corbyn would take away the vote from anyone who doesn't own 1000 acres of land some people would still vote for him because, you know, Brexit.

Even if Corbyn would re-introduce slavery some people would still vote for him because, you know, Brexit.

So why let a small, isolated issue derail the conversation ? Antisemitism is bad (at least that what people say in public), but people would vote for an antisemite if he is against Brexit (Corbyn today). or for Brexit (Corbyn in the past). or neither (like Corbyn when Seamus Milne tells him so).

Guest 19.11.2019 16:29

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Guest 19.11.2019 16:35

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Originally Posted by Pashosh (Post 3122053)
Come on tony, why are you so stubborn. It's not about the Jews, it's about Brexit.

Even if Corbyn would blow up buses some people would still vote for him because, you know, Brexit.

Even if Corbyn would take away the vote from anyone who doesn't own 1000 acres of land some people would still vote for him because, you know, Brexit.

Even if Corbyn would re-introduce slavery some people would still vote for him because, you know, Brexit.

So why let a small, isolated issue derail the conversation ? Antisemitism is bad (at least that what people say in public), but people would vote for an antisemite if he is against Brexit (Corbyn today). or for Brexit (Corbyn in the past). or neither (like Corbyn when Seamus Milne tells him so).

Why don't you go and have a nice cup of camomile tea? It might do you some good. :)


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