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27.11.2019, 15:26
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| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: | |  | | | Phhh....Ukraine, like anti-semitism....are non-issues in reality. Most wouldn't even know to show it on the map anyway. | | | | |
Is anitisemitism a place on the map?
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27.11.2019, 15:30
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| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: | |  | | | You just know that Noam Chomsky will now be quoted as saying “Jeremy Corbyn, is actually pro-racist & anti-Semitic” | | | | | I dont understand it then. Im not big time into religion but i watch the news and over the last few years there's been tonnes of jewish groups turning up on the news saying they've got a problem with JC and how labour handles antisemitism and its a huge deal and they are really worried about the situation.
What you're saying then is they are all wrong, there isn't anything out of order and in fact its totally the other end of the scale and he's very much pro jewish people ?
So the whole lot of them, all the groups, the head chief rabbi bloke, they've all been fooled by a set of people who run the papers who hve painted JC as the opposite of this because.... they dont want him to win an election ?
It seems a bit far fetched to me.
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27.11.2019, 15:34
| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: | |  | | | I dont understand it then. Im not big time into religion but i watch the news and over the last few years there's been tonnes of jewish groups turning up on the news saying they've got a problem with JC and how labour handles antisemitism and its a huge deal and they are really worried about the situation.
What you're saying then is they are all wrong, there isn't anything out of order and in fact its totally the other end of the scale and he's very much pro jewish people ?
So the whole lot of them, all the groups, the head chief rabbi bloke, they've all been fooled by a set of people who run the papers who hve painted JC as the opposite of this because.... they dont want him to win an election ?
It seems a bit far fetched to me. | | | | | Anyone would think the spin doctors and fixers aren't even necessary... wait...
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27.11.2019, 15:38
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| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: | |  | | | What you're saying then is they are all wrong, there isn't anything out of order and in fact its totally the other end of the scale and he's very much pro jewish people ?
| | | | | In anecdotes, racists say things like "some of my best friends are black" and "I don't have anything agsints black people but ...".
In that respect showing off that he has Jewish friends isn't really helping him.
Let's just think this one through hypothetically.
Would it really hurt Corbyn to stand up and publically and uneqivocally tell Hamas and friends and anybody who supports them that their friendship is over forever.
That it is fine to criticze Israeli policy but it isn't fine to criticize Israeli policy when you've got a gun in your hand.
What exactly is it that Corbyn is clinging to that is it more important that winning an election?
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27.11.2019, 15:41
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| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: | |  | | | In anecdotes, racists say things like "some of my best friends are black" and "I don't have anything agsints black people but ...".
In that respect showing off that he has Jewish friends isn't really helping him.
Would it really hurt Corbyn to stand up and publically and uneqivocally tell Hamas and friends and anybody who supports them that their friendship is over forever.
What exactly is it that Corbyn is clinging to that is it more important that winning an election? | | | | | Yes, some other people here have pointed out his incompetence and thirst for power too. We're running in circles.
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27.11.2019, 15:43
| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: | |  | | |
Let's just think this one through hypothetically.
Would it really hurt Corbyn to stand up and publicly and unequivocally tell Hamas and friends and anybody who supports them that their friendship is over forever.
| | | | | As you said, it's all down to your PR machine... | Quote: |  | | | And while Corbyn expressed “regret” for using the term “friends” in reference to delegates from Hamas – after it elicited an indignant response from critics – there was no such outrage when Conservative and Labour politicians referred to the Saudi royal family as valued “friends”, allies and partners of the UK in the course of a parliamentary debate on continued arms sales for the Yemen war, which those MPs supported. It is certainly difficult to imagine a consistent set of principles for a prospective British prime minister that would put Hamas beyond the pale yet allow for a close relationship with the Saudi Arabian monarchy, given the UK’s support for its war in Yemen, which has killed tens of thousands of civilians. | | | | | From here.
I agree that letting go and stepping back would be the best for the party (no idea either why he's clinging onto his leadership  ).
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27.11.2019, 16:13
| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: |  | | | As you said, it's all down to your PR. | | | | | Step 2 | 
27.11.2019, 16:17
| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Side A keeps posting meaningless references back to their own opinion.
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27.11.2019, 16:19
| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | There really are only the two views, huh?
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27.11.2019, 16:21
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| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah
Some can't help stirring the pot....we have all sorts.
At the end of the day everyone will vote according to their interests/views/opinions. It was what Brexiters kept telling us.
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27.11.2019, 16:25
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| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: | |  | | | He might be anti-Israel, but that does not mean he's an anti-semite. | | | | | | Quote: |  | | | Exactly this. | | | | | No, not exactly that.
I'm not against Jews. I'm not against the existence of the state of Israel. I am against the systematic oppression and aggressive foreign policy of successive Israeli governments towards the people of Palestine, and the failure of both sides to find an amicable working solution for all. It's that specific.
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27.11.2019, 16:29
| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: | |  | | | No, not exactly that.
I'm not against Jews. I'm not against the existence of the state of Israel. I am against the systematic oppression and aggressive foreign policy of successive Israeli governments towards the people of Palestine, and the failure of both sides to find an amicable working solution for all. It's that specific. | | | | | Um...
Corbyn is pro-Palestine.
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27.11.2019, 16:34
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| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: | |  | | | You do the accusations and even bring "numbers", you bring the evidence. This is how it works. It's not me or anyone else here who should go check your accusations*.
You haven't answered my questions: what or whom were you quoting? Those numbers must have come from somewhere, as I suppose you didn't follow all the articles in the press and then summed them up.
One more thing: stop groaning. I'll start too.
*Oh, and btw, I'm not focusing on anything. I'm just sick of internet unchecked "info". | | | | | You could just be far less skeptical and take what I say at face value.
I can hold your hand on this occasion and have posted links below to back up what I wrote. Changed your mind now? https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-jeremy-corbyn https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ornton-dossier | 
27.11.2019, 16:37
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Since we're all repeating ourselves now:
There are about 46 million voters in the United Kindgom.
There are less than 300 000 Jewish people.
The single most important issue for British voters is Brexit.
Anyone who thinks antisemitism is going to have any appreciable effect on the results of this election needs to lay off the mushrooms.
That's all.
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27.11.2019, 16:38
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| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: | |  | | |
I'm fully aware the timing of the chief Rabbi's article was gold for the Tory Campaign, but it was immediately mitigated by the response from The Muslim Council Of Great Britain who came out in full support for the Jews, but also highlighted the Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party.
The entire debarcle is a curse on both their houses.
| | | | | Nice way to insert the false equivalence of Tory Islamophobia in there at the end. There are racists in all parties. The difference with Labour, as has already been mentioned, and why they are being investigated EHRC, is that this is an institutionalised problem within the party. A Conservative Party member makes an anti-Muslim statement and they get kicked out of the party. A Labour Party member does something that can be construed as anti-Semitic and Jeremy Corbyn doesn’t react in the same way. An example of this was raised on Question Time recently when an audience member referred to Jeremy Corbyn’s reaction to Jewish MP Ruth Smeeth getting heckled at a Labour Event. After the event Jeremy Corbyn was seen friendly chatting with the person doing the heckling.
This is the result of spending decades as a hopeless backbench MP rubbing shoulders with a mix of unsavoury people who share the same cursory and simpleminded view that the US and Israel are to blame for the world’s problems. With Corbyn as party leader, this has been allowed to transform into outright full-blooded antisemitism.
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27.11.2019, 16:40
| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: | |  | | | A Conservative Party member makes an anti-Muslim statement and they get [snip] | | | | | ...elected to lead the party.
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27.11.2019, 16:44
| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | |
Why? You're asking for blind acceptance.
Mirvis is a long-standing friend of Johnson. An independent report for you: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1574869381232 | 
27.11.2019, 16:48
| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: |  | | | ...elected to lead the party. | | | | | Ah. The charming "letter box" comment. But no doubt we will surely be schooled in why this isn't rascism...
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27.11.2019, 16:49
| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: |  | | | Ah. The charming "letter box" comment. But no doubt we will surely be schooled in why this isn't rascism... | | | | | In context, he was speaking in defence of liberal principles.
But he's still a twat.
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27.11.2019, 16:52
| | Re: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah | Quote: |  | | | In context, he was speaking in defence of liberal principles.
But he's still a twat. | | | | | I know. But he still said it.
Hmm... which other politician may have done a similar thing... not mince his words in defence of principles...
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