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Jeremy Corbyn refuses to denounce terrorist 'friends' Hamas and Hezbollah

Some polls are claiming that Labour will lose up to 150 seats in the local elections this week.

An example of you get what you wish for!

Sources - most UK newspapers!
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A perfectly engineered Tory smear campaign. Bravo.

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A perfectly engineered Tory smear campaign. Bravo.

Lol. Antisemitism is ingrained into the "progressive" left, Tories didn't need to lift a finger. The only surprising thing here is that people are actually surprised.
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Old 02.05.2016, 12:25
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Lol. Antisemitism is ingrained into the "progressive" left, Tories didn't need to lift a finger. The only surprising thing here is that people are actually surprised.
Nope, anti-semitism is not engrained in the political left. Pacifism is and it is therefore pretty hard to agree to Israeli realpolitik. Big difference but Israel and European conservatives love to play the "anyone who doesn't agree is anti-semitic" card...
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Nope, anti-semitism is not engrained in the political left. Pacifism is and it is therefore pretty hard to agree to Israeli realpolitik. Big difference but Israel and European conservatives love to play the "anyone who doesn't agree is anti-semitic" card...
Perhaps you feel that way. And I can understand people's objection to Israel. But many are unable to distinguish the difference between the people and the country, so that in UK politics and for the wider Left anti-semitism remains an issue.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...eorge-galloway

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ewish-identity

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...-jeremy-corbyn
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Old 02.05.2016, 14:49
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Nope, anti-semitism is not engrained in the political left. Pacifism is .
This wouldn't be the same political left by any chance that not too long ago was sympathizing with Stalin and Mao, and in the case of Corbyn and friends has still failed to see the error of their earlier ways?
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Nope, anti-semitism is not engrained in the political left. Pacifism is
Ummm, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam all started under leftist US presidents.

Pacifists?

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A perfectly engineered Tory smear campaign. Bravo.

It's hardly a smear when Red Ken openly calls Hitler a "Zionist", is it? According to the Grauniad, it's a smear campaign orchestrated by Corbyn's own party .
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It's hardly a smear when Red Ken openly calls Hitler a "Zionist", is it?
For a little context, its a week before the local elections and right wing blogger Guido Fawkes publishes a tweet made by a Labour MP several years back (before she was in office) that was said to be anti-semitic.

Corbyn takes decisive action and suspends her. Soon after Ken Livingston tries to defend her in an interview and is then ambushed by Pro-israel shill John Mann (who just so happened to be there with a full TV crew ) to call him a Nazi apologist.



There seems to be a willing coalition between right wingers and disgruntled back bench Labour MPs who will do anything to topple Jeremy Corbyn. The Tories are floundering on so many issues, and yet Labour are getting all the negative headlines and manufactured crisis.

The Tories smear, that is what they do through their sympathetic news media barons, whether its trying to paint Labour Mayoral Candidate as a Muslim extremist or Corbyn and McDonnell as Hezbollah and IRA sympathisers.
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For a little context, its a week before the local elections and right wing blogger Guido Fawkes publishes a tweet made by a Labour MP several years back (before she was in office) that was said to be anti-semitic.

Corbyn takes decisive action and suspends her. Soon after Ken Livingston tries to defend her in an interview and is then ambushed by Pro-israel shill John Mann (who just so happened to be there with a full TV crew ) to call him a Nazi apologist.
Corbyn will not even say the word Israel, he describes Hamas and Hezbollah as 'friends'. Naz Shah posted on facebook about relocating all Israeli's (Jews) to America, there are many other incidents, and our dear old Ken has a long history. No one forced them to say or post these things. This is just scratching the surface of it. What goes around and all that.

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Corbyn takes decisive action and suspends her. Soon after Ken Livingston tries to defend her in an interview and is then ambushed by Pro-israel shill John Mann (who just so happened to be there with a full TV crew ) to call him a Nazi apologist.
Erm, there's a little more to it than that though, isn't there?

So, if it comes from the right, it's a "smear", if it comes from the left, it's "exposing the truth".
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For a little context, its a week before the local elections and right wing blogger Guido Fawkes publishes a tweet made by a Labour MP several years back (before she was in office)....
You regard 2014 as "several years back"? And it wasn't "a tweet" but a number of Facebook posts.

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Corbyn takes decisive action and suspends her..
Eventually. The main criticism of Jeremy is that he dragged his feet for too long, hoping the story would go away. Naz was his PPS so I guess he was driven as much by personal loyalty as any suspicion of sympathy with her views.

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Soon after Ken Livingston tries to defend her
Big mistake. Ken should have learnt from Naz Shah herself, who instead of trying to wriggle out of it, did what is very hard for anyone, and particularly politicians, to do. She admitted she was wrong, and gave what sounded to me like a sincere, and even quite touching, apology to a packed House of Commons

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There seems to be a willing coalition between right wingers and disgruntled back bench Labour MPs who will do anything to topple Jeremy Corbyn.
A majority of Labour MPs, it's true, are not Corbynites, but don't make the mistake of thinking that the Tories want to see Corbyn go. Seriously, his election as leader was regarded as a gift from the political gods, and the longer he stays in post, the more likely another Tory victory is in 2020.

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The Tories are floundering on so many issues, and yet Labour are getting all the negative headlines and manufactured crisis.
Both parties have had negative headlines. What about the IDS resignation? The steel industry? The farce over cuts to in-work benefits and disability payments? Trouble is, Labour hasn't been able to drive home the advantage. In PMQs immediately after the incendiary IDS resignation, Jeremy Corbyn made not a single reference to it!

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The Tories smear, that is what they do through their sympathetic news media barons, whether its trying to paint Labour Mayoral Candidate as a Muslim extremist or Corbyn and McDonnell as Hezbollah and IRA sympathisers.
Oh come off it -- McDonnell himself made a public apology on live TV about his previous IRA contacts -- and won a lot of respect for it, just like Naz Shah did.

Finally, McDonnell is one of many Labour people who have spoken out against Ken Livingstone's stupid remarks. The criticism of Ken has come almost entirely from Labour MPs, trade union leaders and high profile left wing commentators like Owen Jones and Polly Toynbee. Here's an example, and there are plenty more. The Tories haven't had to do anything.
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