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Old 15.07.2016, 19:02
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Never underestimate the general hypocrisy: people say one thing in public but the vote is secret.
However, I think supporting trump is no longer as taboo as it once was and people no longer need to hide it
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Old 15.07.2016, 20:12
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More worrisome than an individual like Gingrich is the current climate that allows him to say it. These politicians have an instinct on which way the wind is blowing. They typically follow the direction of sentiments, and they rarely drive which way that sentiment is blowing. When a politician like Gingrich and a host of others that are outright saying this are able to do this, it means there is a huge undercurrent moving in that direction.

I would be more concerned about that undercurrent than the individuals that are trying to ride it.
I think the undercurrent has always been there to a certain extent. Yes, one of the founding principles was the freedom to practice your religion. At the time that was Christianity in its various forms and it's all too clear that America sees itself as the bastion/fortress of Christianity. It's practically impossible to do anything without invoking God or saying a pray before you start. For Americans the threat/fear that Islam will over-run their religion, however it happens is very real. It could well come to trying to deport Muslims whether they believe in Sharia or not, though how they'd square that with the possibility of deporting American citizens at the same time I don't know.

There was an interesting article on Sharia courts in the UK on the BBC website the other day.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36587665

I think a lot of work still needs to be done.
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Old 15.07.2016, 21:40
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I think the undercurrent has always been there to a certain extent. Yes, one of the founding principles was the freedom to practice your religion. At the time that was Christianity in its various forms and it's all too clear that America sees itself as the bastion/fortress of Christianity. It's practically impossible to do anything without invoking God or saying a pray before you start. For Americans the threat/fear that Islam will over-run their religion, however it happens is very real. It could well come to trying to deport Muslims whether they believe in Sharia or not, though how they'd square that with the possibility of deporting American citizens at the same time I don't know.

There was an interesting article on Sharia courts in the UK on the BBC website the other day.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36587665

I think a lot of work still needs to be done.

I'm not really seeing this coming from Christianity as a religion. What I am hearing from Christians is a call for understanding, religious freedom, and helping those who are trying to flee. Christianity is actually under assault in the US by secularists.

Now the undercurrent may be going from those who cite Christian identity, but it is also coming fro those who show now signs of Christianity. Basically, it is coming from a sense of self-preservation by people of all walks of life; Hindus, Buddhist, Atheists amongst them.

Its election season, so politicians will issue such soundbites. Whether or not they can get near to doing something like this is highly doubtful. But if they should, there is precedence during the Cold War. Up until detente and glasnost, anyone entering the US was asked, "Are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist party". Based on that, and or suspicions, it affected that person' entry.

Something like that might be conceivable, and quite a regressive step for progress. They may ask if a person advocates the replacement of US laws with Sharia, or if they believe Sharia supersedes the national law, to try to identify a particular profile they want to include. But I can't really conceive them excluding someone simply because they are Muslim, as that is directly against the Constitution. It wouldn't be America at that point.

I seriously doubt it would reach that point short of a terrorist nuclear detonation. But what do I know.
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Old 15.07.2016, 22:43
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I'm not really seeing this coming from Christianity as a religion. What I am hearing from Christians is a call for understanding, religious freedom, and helping those who are trying to flee. Christianity is actually under assault in the US by secularists.
Assault? Really? Where?
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Re: Will Trump be the next US President?

So, any thoughts about Mike Pence as Trump's VP nominee?

Seems like a strange choice to me. The man has too many skeletons in his closet.
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Old 18.07.2016, 14:41
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So, any thoughts about Mike Pence as Trump's VP nominee?

Seems like a strange choice to me. The man has too many skeletons in his closet.
Alas, as is usually the case in American politics, the least worst choice.

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Old 18.07.2016, 14:54
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Alas, as is usually the case in American politics, the least worst choice.
^This. He's a governor in a Midwest swing state. He comes with "proper" conservative credentials, even though some of his views don't actually match with Trump's policies. I don't suppose anything in his closet is going to shock Trump supporters.

At least the combination already has a memorable logo (quickly retired).

The speaker list for the Republican National Convention, which starts today, has been released. This is going to be one weird convention.
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The speaker list for the Republican National Convention, which starts today, has been released. This is going to be one weird convention.
"Kimberlin Brown, soap opera actress"

Talk about weirdos!

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"Kimberlin Brown, soap opera actress"

Talk about weirdos!

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Old 18.07.2016, 16:56
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So, any thoughts about Mike Pence as Trump's VP nominee?

Seems like a strange choice to me. The man has too many skeletons in his closet.
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^This. He's a governor in a Midwest swing state. He comes with "proper" conservative credentials, even though some of his views don't actually match with Trump's policies. I don't suppose anything in his closet is going to shock Trump supporters.

At least the combination already has a memorable logo (quickly retired).

The speaker list for the Republican National Convention, which starts today, has been released. This is going to be one weird convention.

I don't much about Pence yet. But if Trump positions his ticket to about accomplishing things, in contrast to Hillary who has trouble defining her accomplishments, I think demonstrating a record of actually accomplishing things is a strong card. As for positions and ideology, this election is hardly about that anymore, as I don't think any of these candidates can be expected to stick to any particular principle. I would rather see Trump appoint a Supreme Court Justice than Hillary.

Also on position, I would vote for Trump's direction of strengthen the country, over Hillary's vague "business as usual" direction.

Personality wise, Trump needs to demonstrate he knows how to turn off his ego before I would vote for him.

The VP candidate in this race is important for me. I'd like to know who would take over when either of them should get impeached.
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Old 18.07.2016, 20:51
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Re: Will Trump be the next US President?

Another long read from the New Yorker, but this speaks to Trump's ability as a leader


http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...iter-tells-all


I agree with Phos - the VP will matter. Given the current climate in the US, sad to say, I worry about assasination attempts.
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Re: Will Trump be the next US President?

Yes, the VP is important in this case. You think we would have learned from '08- you know- feeble, not sure if he can last 4 years McCain - so let's pick Palin?

8 years later- the Republican Party, with all its strategery, comes up with an unknown, midwestern Governor to be the heir apparent to the Presidency. ( I agree Trump won't last)

It's like neither side is trying.
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Old 18.07.2016, 22:04
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Yes, the VP is important in this case. You think we would have learned from '08- you know- feeble, not sure if he can last 4 years McCain - so let's pick Palin?

8 years later- the Republican Party, with all its strategery, comes up with an unknown, midwestern Governor to be the heir apparent to the Presidency. ( I agree Trump won't last)

It's like neither side is trying.
It's not like the GOP had a lot of good candidates though. I guess Pence was the least offensive to the most people. Not saying much.
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Re: Will Trump be the next US President?

30min documentary on the BBC last night about Bakersfield and their Trump voters.

You very much get the feeling that there are vast swathes of the US that would like the country to return to 1984.

One part stood out and that was the blaming of outsiders - specifically illegal immigrants taking jobs. As much as illegal labour doesn't help the situation you are left wondering what's the chicken and what's the egg. A consumer demand for lower and lower prices OR cheap illegal labour allowing producers to lower prices.

I am far from convinced that "cheap" delivers benefits to the wider community
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Re: Will Trump be the next US President?

LOL!!!!!

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/19/po...-obama-speech/

Melania isn't a public person, isn't a political figure, her public speaking skills are inexistent, as are any other political or public accomplishments. They should let her be, and Trump should choose who the role of the First Lady goes to. Ivanka anyone?
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Re: Will Trump be the next US President?

For a sec I thought Paul Ryan might step up and the GOP, upon realizing the horror that comes with Trump being the President, might support Ryan as well..

Alas, Ryan's total lack of interest in the said position actually makes this a reality.

Yes, Trump and Hillary are the two Nominees and one of them will be the president.
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LOL!!!!!

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/19/po...-obama-speech/

Melania isn't a public person, isn't a political figure, her public speaking skills are inexistent, as are any other political or public accomplishments. They should let her be, and Trump should choose who the role of the First Lady goes to. Ivanka anyone?
Will be interesting to hear what the kids say.
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Re: Will Trump be the next US President?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQv_rsLsIno


Well it sounded promising... 8 years ago, said by someone else.
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Another long read from the New Yorker, but this speaks to Trump's ability as a leader


http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...iter-tells-all


I agree with Phos - the VP will matter. Given the current climate in the US, sad to say, I worry about assasination attempts.
The VP is of crucial importance in these elections.
I could see impeachment before assassination - not that I am advocating for either in a normal state of things, mind you.
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Will be interesting to hear what the kids say.
Ivanka seems to be well-spoken and will come across much better than Melania. Interesting that the whole night they bashed foreigners as ruining the country, and then put one up there as the keynote speaker.
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