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Ace1 17.12.2019 08:05

Re: How Many Languages Do You Speak Fluently
 
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Originally Posted by terrifisch (Post 3130460)
Maybe I am wrong, but I thought true fluency is achieved when one can express emotions or complex thoughts in a language other than their native one. If that is the case, even though I have studied 6 languages, I doubt I am fluent in any of them other than English ;)

Did you see the link in this earlier post?
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Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 3118762)
Depends on your definition of fluency.

I think it's unhelpful to think of fluency as a binary thing, so what you call "true fluency" is just a point on a scale, but the key point is that it's about how quickly you speak, not how correct it is. As the linked article says, it's possible to be highly fluent in a language while still making many basic mistakes, so it's not in itself an accurate measure of one's language abilities.

MusicChick 17.12.2019 21:25

Re: How Many Languages Do You Speak Fluently
 
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Originally Posted by terrifisch (Post 3130460)
Maybe I am wrong, but I thought true fluency is achieved when one can express emotions or complex thoughts in a language other than their native one. If that is the case, even though I have studied 6 languages, I doubt I am fluent in any of them other than English ;)

Because as I said - the minute one is no longer monolingual, one starts having stronger domains, preferences and comfort zones..where some words flow easier, or feel more accurate or chic. It is pretty much the same as "a perfect fluency" in one's mother tongue. We are all different on the scale of the competence and what is perfect for one's needs will not be for others'.

We have relationships with words in different languages as we have to pet themes...people, phenomema. Some flow, we like them, we are better with them. It is on a scale and the quality of the recall and accuracy changes.

amogles 17.12.2019 22:15

Re: How Many Languages Do You Speak Fluently
 
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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 3130706)
Because as I said - the minute one is no longer monolingual, one starts having stronger domains, preferences and comfort zones..where some words flow easier, or feel more accurate or chic. It is pretty much the same as "a perfect fluency" in one's mother tongue. We are all different on the scale of the competence and what is perfect for one's needs will not be for others'.

We have relationships with words in different languages as we have to pet themes...people, phenomema. Some flow, we like them, we are better with them. It is on a scale and the quality of the recall and accuracy changes.

I would say one good indicator of fluency in a foreign language is if you catch yourself thinking or even dreaming in that language. And I mean not thinking in the language because you force yourself to do that but thinking in it because it happens naturally.

MusicChick 17.12.2019 22:38

Re: How Many Languages Do You Speak Fluently
 
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Originally Posted by amogles (Post 3130728)
I would say one good indicator of fluency in a foreign language is if you catch yourself thinking or even dreaming in that language. And I mean not thinking in the language because you force yourself to do that but thinking in it because it happens naturally.

I think that is valid. But when you speak more than 3 languages and have more audial approach, or synesthetic, it actually comes to a point of ideas not having words or particular language. The concepts exist but you "know them without thinking ". You denote them and connote them consciously as the next step. The recall is different than constantly translating, contrasting or pairing them up semantically.

It is like with a piano. You learn it as your 1st instrument, you "see" melodies on the keys as you hear them even if you aren't playing. You move onto a different instrument, you still imagine the notes also on the keys...the minute you learn the 3rd and 4th, melody gets imagined as abstract stuff, no longer piano keys. It loses that background.

The fact people dream in a diff language is a question of sufficient exposure, it is almost quantitative, imho. Personal corpus. The qualitative part is on a scale, depends on a subject, context..

Jim2007 18.12.2019 03:21

Re: How Many Languages Do You Speak Fluently
 
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Originally Posted by amogles (Post 3130728)
I would say one good indicator of fluency in a foreign language is if you catch yourself thinking or even dreaming in that language. And I mean not thinking in the language because you force yourself to do that but thinking in it because it happens naturally.

Probably, I notice that my teenagers speak to each other in the last language they heard from one of their parents. If I wander through the living room and say something to them, they will talk English to each other until perhaps their mother shouts something from the dining room and they’ll switch to German. If asking they say it really does no matter to them which language they use.

Also they don’t translate, if I say tell your mother whatever, it does not get passed on as a translation, the meaning is correct but the wording may be completely different.


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