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Old 17.06.2016, 15:34
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Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

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He doesn't have any opinions, he just reels out whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear.



The man is a fraud and a government stooge whose think tank has received £2.6M of tax payers money for essentially very little.
Sounds like an average politician, tbh..
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Old 17.06.2016, 23:33
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Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

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Jo Cox murder: Anti-terror experts advising police over charges against Labour MP killing suspect Thomas Mair
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Old 18.06.2016, 01:20
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Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Clearly due to the lax gun laws.

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This picture is so good, where can I get a copy so that I can use it as my avatar.
(right click, copy graphic address) done it for you:
http://i.imgur.com/UwRMJVEm.jpg
or just right click, save graphic (on your computer).

...... that doesn't mean I agree with your opinion
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Old 18.06.2016, 08:52
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If this was a political attack then anti-terrorism police would be leading the investigation. They're not which suggests it was a local nutter that killed her.
It is now being treated as a political attack. From the Times:

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West Yorkshire police had revealed earlier that they were working with the northeast counterterrorism unit. Members of the Crown Prosecution Service special crime and terrorism unit were also involved in the case.

Prosecutors believe that the crime fits the definition of terrorism in British law as an act of serious violence “for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause”.
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It is now being treated as a political attack. From the Times:
From a suspected mental health patient. From the West Yorkshire Police:

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“We are aware of the speculation within the media in respect of the suspect’s link to mental health services and this is a clear line of enquiry which we are pursuing.

“We are also aware of the inference within the media of the suspect being linked to right wing extremism which is again a priority line of enquiry which will help us establish the motive for the attack on Jo.

“We are keeping an open mind and I do not wish to add to the speculation as we need to ensure that we conduct a professional investigation and do not compromise the need to bring the person responsible to justice."
But hell, this shouldn't stop the media and all the internet Poirots continuing with their pathetic attempt to try and equate this attack with Orlando, 7/7, Paris etc. in order to underscore some ridiculous political agenda.

http://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/n...spen-mp-jo-cox
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From a suspected mental health patient. From the West Yorkshire Police:



But hell, this shouldn't stop the media and all the internet Poirots continuing with their pathetic attempt to try and equate this attack with Orlando, 7/7, Paris etc. in order to underscore some ridiculous political agenda.

http://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/n...spen-mp-jo-cox
Why not? Orlando shooter was also unstable, no direct links to any terrorist organisations, except searching (Yes I know that Cox's killer was signed up to far right groups, but they are not officially terrorist organisations). A lone gunman is a lone gunman and can't really be equated to Paris, 7/7, Brussels etc, because they were organised group attacks.
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Why not? Orlando shooter was also unstable, no direct links to any terrorist organisations, except searching (Yes I know that Cox's killer was signed up to far right groups, but they are not officially terrorist organisations). A lone gunman is a lone gunman and can't really be equated to Paris, 7/7, Brussels etc, because they were organised group attacks.
One targeted gays due to a specific ideology. The other shot an MP for... Well we don't know. One is a terrorist the other? We don't know.
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One targeted gays due to a specific ideology. The other shot an MP for... Well we don't know. One is a terrorist the other? We don't know.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...h-of-mp-jo-cox
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Asked at Westminster magistrates court on Saturday to confirm his name, Mair said: “My name is death to traitors, freedom for Britain.”
I don't know if you can see any ideology there... it's pretty subtle
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Subtle indeed ... and Farage sounds increasingly like Enoch Powell.
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Subtle indeed ... and Farage sounds increasingly like Enoch Powell.
Without having Enoch Powell's education...perhaps? His confessions made me lol.
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Farage was educated at Dulwich College, a public school in south London,[13] and in his autobiography he pays tribute to the careers advice he received there from England Test cricketer John Dewes, "who must have spotted that I was quite ballsy, probably good on a platform, unafraid of the limelight, a bit noisy and good at selling things".[17] On leaving school in 1982, he decided not to go to university, but to work in the City, trading commodities at the London Metal Exchange.[11] Initially, he joined the American commodity operation of brokerage firm Drexel Burnham Lambert,[13] transferring to Credit Lyonnais Rouse in 1986.[13] He joined Refco in 1994, and Natexis Metals in 2003.[13]
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I don't know if you can see any ideology there... it's pretty subtle
Deputy Chief Magistrate on Thomas Mair: 'Bearing in mind the name he's given, he ought to be seen by a psychiatrist'.
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Old 18.06.2016, 14:18
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One targeted gays due to a specific ideology. The other shot an MP for... Well we don't know. One is a terrorist the other? We don't know.
Sure, refer to this chart when prosecuting the suspect.
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Sure, refer to this chart when prosecuting the suspect.
Um, I'm pretty sure ETA and the IRA (amongst others) are more towards the pink end of that spectrum, and nobody ever suggests they might not be terrorists.
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Deputy Chief Magistrate on Thomas Mair: 'Bearing in mind the name he's given, he ought to be seen by a psychiatrist'.
Yes, and if the Orlando shooter lived he should've too. Killing people is not a normal act, but what you appear to be saying is that if you are unhinged and prompted my anti-LGBT sentiment in your religion (and lets ignore the US anti-LGBT sentiment, e.g. bathroom laws) to kill then it's ideological. But if you are unhinged and prompted by anti-foreigner sentiment from politics then it's just an individual (never mind the groups he's members of) and it does not show a worrying trend of violent ideology at all.
I'm sorry, if you believe that some people are less than you and a danger to our beliefs and you set out to kill them and those that protect them then it's ideological hate crime, whatever the motivation, religious or nationalistic. Plenty of patriotic people are not nationalistic and go around killing MPs and plenty of muslims are not homophobic and go around shooting up gay night clubs. I am not saying that being a Brexiter or anti-immigration makes you a threat, but if you say 'my name is death to traitors, freedom for Britain' then your actions are not without ideology.
You can be both psychologically ill and ideologically motivated. In fact, I suspect that anyone who can commit a crime such as either of those must be unhinged, to not see people as humans, but as targets there must be something wrong in your brain. And ISIL and far right groups both equally encourage these thoughts and actions.
It's like when people watch violent movies or video games non-stop for hours/days on end and then act violently, or listen to depressing songs non-stop and then kill themselves. There is cause and effect. These people are in a wrong place in order to start acting in these strange ways, which is why the intelligence services like to see who is looking at extremist (Muslim or white power) websites. One must already be on that path before one acts. And having a murderous personality already, one twists things until that is justified in your mind, and makes you righteous to kill, justified. And that is what ideological killers are... they are killers who attach and ideology onto their urges. To say it only counts if they are one particular religious ideology, or political, or racial is closing one eye.
Yes, Cox's killer is probably insane, he's a killer. But that also means that the Orlando shooter was also probably insane. If you are going to blame Islam for the latter acting on his urges and justifying his actions to himself, you also have to blame British nationalists and white-power for the former.
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What I'm finding depressing - on top of the fact that someone's wife and mother and an elected representative of the people has been murdered while doing her job - is the way her death is being used to further various partisan objectives.

Her murder was political - there's no doubt about that whatsoever, whatever the mental state of her murderer - but it was not about left vs right or Leave vs Remain. It was about democracy vs anti-democracy.

In this light, it is sadly ironic that all the main parties have opted not to contest the by-election which will follow her death. They should all put forward candidates, but ensure that their campaigns are honest, respectful and decent. Maybe even cut out the active campaigning and issue a simple A4 pamphlet with a list of their policies and beliefs.

To simply refuse to give the people an opportunity to vote for other parties sends entirely the wrong message about the value of democracy.
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Old 18.06.2016, 15:20
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Clearly due to the lax gun laws.
...in the US. I wonder if there would be a case for that as his information on bomb and gun making came from the US?

I'm sickened and disgusted by the views of certain EF members who are in complete denial of the facts. You reap what you sow, and there are prominent people who now, however indirectly, have blood on their hands.

Now that there are photos surfacing of Mair at Britain First rally as recently as October 2015, we cannot be in denial any longer.

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Um, I'm pretty sure ETA and the IRA (amongst others) are more towards the pink end of that spectrum, and nobody ever suggests they might not be terrorists.
As you know, the cartoon is ironic, and it's targeted at its audience — Americans, all too many of whom do not view the IRA as a terrorist organisation, but as freedom fighters struggling to replicate the feat achieved by the rebels in the War of Independence. Perhaps ETA, too, for all I know.

These aren't my views, I hasten to add.
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