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...in the US. I wonder if there would be a case for that as his information on bomb and gun making came from the US?

I'm sickened and disgusted by the views of certain EF members who are in complete denial of the facts. You reap what you sow, and there are prominent people who now, however indirectly, have blood on their hands.

Now that there are photos surfacing of Mair at Britain First rally as recently as October 2015, we cannot be in denial any longer.



http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/new...der_of_Jo_Cox/
clearly, mair is a nazi. so whats the next step? apart from discarding him in a dungeon of course.
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You reap what you sow, and there are prominent people who now, however indirectly, have blood on their hands.
No. There is precisely one man with blood on his hands: the man who murdered her.

Accusations of collective responsibility are a dangerous game to play. Going by those rules, every single one of us has blood on our hands - from those who voted for Tony Blair to those who believe that homosexuality goes against the will of God to those who boycott Israeli oranges - whether or not we've ever wielded a gun or a knife.

This is precisely the kind of sickening partisan nonsense to which I referred in my previous post.
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No. There is precisely one man with blood on his hands: the man who murdered her.

Accusations of collective responsibility are a dangerous game to play. Going by those rules, every single one of us has blood on our hands - from those who voted for Tony Blair to those who believe that homosexuality goes against the will of God to those who boycott Israeli oranges - whether or not we've ever wielded a gun or a knife.

This is precisely the kind of sickening partisan nonsense to which I referred in my previous post.
In one way that is true. But in another.... if nobody does anything to change things so it is less likely to happen in the future then we are at fault, not that it's our fault, but we are at fault. Increasing mental health provision and (verbally and legally) combating extremism in any form is the least we can do.
Calling someone out for hate speech is not the same as committing hate speech.
Understanding and communicating disgust at divisive behaviour and words is not partisan.
The UKIP breaking point banner was divisive, and pointing out that people will react to fear mongering with fear is not partisan. Remember 'Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering' Yoda
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...in the US. I wonder if there would be a case for that as his information on bomb and gun making came from the US?

I'm sickened and disgusted by the views of certain EF members who are in complete denial of the facts. You reap what you sow, and there are prominent people who now, however indirectly, have blood on their hands.

Now that there are photos surfacing of Mair at Britain First rally as recently as October 2015, we cannot be in denial any longer.
What are the facts - and I mean facts, not what you believe, nor any woolly conclusions that you've come to.
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As you know, the cartoon is ironic, and it's targeted at its audience — Americans, all too many of whom do not view the IRA as a terrorist organisation, but as freedom fighters struggling to replicate the feat achieved by the rebels in the War of Independence. Perhaps ETA, too, for all I know.

These aren't my views, I hasten to add.
Is this just speculation? Have you ever talked to Americans who do not view the IRA as terrorists? The whole time growing up, all I ever heard about on the news concerning England/Ireland was about IRA terrorists. Ive never heard anyone speak supportingly of the IRA, (even in the ethnic Irish low-income neighborhoods of my grandparents, their siblings, and countless cousins), and never heard anyone equate the IRA to colonial American revolutionaries.

Shirley you jest
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Old 18.06.2016, 17:26
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Ive never heard anyone speak supportingly of the IRA
I have.

"They only attacked military targets," apparently.
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Is this just speculation? Have you ever talked to Americans who do not view the IRA as terrorists? The whole time growing up, all I ever heard about on the news concerning England/Ireland was about IRA terrorists. Ive never heard anyone speak supportingly of the IRA, (even in the ethnic Irish low-income neighborhoods of my grandparents, their siblings, and countless cousins), and never heard anyone equate the IRA to colonial American revolutionaries.

Shirley you jest


Yes, I have: the very right wing parents of one of my very good friends. The IRA being freedom fighters - not the revolutionaries thing.


They changed their tune a little after 911.
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...in the US. I wonder if there would be a case for that as his information on bomb and gun making came from the US?

I'm sickened and disgusted by the views of certain EF members who are in complete denial of the facts. You reap what you sow, and there are prominent people who now, however indirectly, have blood on their hands.

Now that there are photos surfacing of Mair at Britain First rally as recently as October 2015, we cannot be in denial any longer.



http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/new...der_of_Jo_Cox/
Do you own a smartphone ? You have blood on your hands.
Do you wear high street clothing ? You have blood on your hands.
Do you have a swiss bank account ? You have blood on your hands.

Blathering on about this Being different and yeah but no but yeah but. We, the western world, kill people around the world every second of every day in our thirst for the latest, the greatest, to be the best and then dominate the world. Everyone has blood on their hands, you included.

Pretending that some random nutjob is somehow more significant just because they killed someone we like cos she's on Telly is rubbish and you shouldn't be using phrases like disgust and sickened when the truth is you couldn't give a toss really you'll not be flying back to her funeral will you ? A bit bothered perhaps but certainly not sickened and disgusted.
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Pretending that some random nutjob is somehow more significant just because they killed someone we like cos she's on Telly is rubbish and you shouldn't be using phrases like disgust and sickened when the truth is you couldn't give a toss really you'll not be flying back to her funeral will you ? A bit bothered perhaps but certainly not sickened and disgusted.
There seem to be awful lot of these "random" nutjobs, and you find a way to dismiss it because they injure someone famous? You think groups training in the welsh mountains are going around shaking hands with other races?
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There seem to be awful lot of these "random" nutjobs, and you find a way to dismiss it because they injure someone famous? You think groups training in the welsh mountains are going around shaking hands with other races?
no I was responding to the statement that prominent figures have blood on their hands, which is close to implying you can't have freedom of speech out of fear of attack. Prominent figures do not have blood on their hands any more than the random examples I gave about foxxcon, sweatshops and Swiss banks taking money from dictators.

It is very important people can say what they want without fear of being implicated because some random nut job - to be clear I believe he has a history of mental health problems and had visited a hospital begging for help in the run up to this - then goes on a rampage.

It's sad, but defending the right to free speech is not sickening and disgusting.
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It is very important people can say what they want without fear of being implicated because some random nut job - to be clear I believe he has a history of mental health problems and had visited a hospital begging for help in the run up to this - then goes on a rampage.

It's sad, but defending the right to free speech is not sickening and disgusting.
I don't think it is some "random" nutjob, if you play a game enough, "random" gains probability, freedom of speech doesn't come with freedom from responsibility.
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Is this just speculation? Have you ever talked to Americans who do not view the IRA as terrorists? The whole time growing up, all I ever heard about on the news concerning England/Ireland was about IRA terrorists. Ive never heard anyone speak supportingly of the IRA, (even in the ethnic Irish low-income neighborhoods of my grandparents, their siblings, and countless cousins), and never heard anyone equate the IRA to colonial American revolutionaries.

Shirley you jest
Yep, parents of my friend gave funds to Sinn Fein until it was banned after Oklahoma. I change the subject if it ever comes up because, well, she's my friend, so we never got too deep into what they thought, but yeah.
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I have.

"They only attacked military targets," apparently.
If you only count mainland bombings up until around 1990 then whoever it was is more or less right.
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If you only count mainland bombings up until around 1990 then whoever it was is more or less right.
There are plenty of dead Brummies who would disagree.
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If you Exclude anything that doesn't fit my narrative then whoever it was is more or less right.
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I don't think it is some "random" nutjob, if you play a game enough, "random" gains probability, freedom of speech doesn't come with freedom from responsibility.
So if it wasn't random nutter can you expand on what happened then ? What is it you know about this guy that shows he wasn't mentally deranged, as the papers say, but was systematically brainwashed into his actions.
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If you only count mainland bombings up until around 1990 then whoever it was is more or less right.
Why in god's name would one "count only mainland bombings"? Do the lives of the victims of random retributive killings throughout the 1970s in NI not "count"? Or the myriad bombings there? Really disturbed at this bizarre classification.
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So if it wasn't random nutter can you expand on what happened then ? What is it you know about this guy that shows he wasn't mentally deranged, as the papers say, but was systematically brainwashed into his actions.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
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The two are not mutually exclusive.
Agreed. Planned Parenthood shooter (Colo Spgs, USA) Robert Dear is a very clear example of that.
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