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Old 18.06.2016, 22:00
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You're kidding right? The daily mail literally described this terrorist as a timid gardner with mental health issues. Other media outlets have described him as a gentle soul

There is a very similar example relating to Roshonara Chaudhry who was instantly referred to as a terrorist after stabbing an MP in 2010

There is an absolute double standard, just not the one you think.
no his neighbors described him like that. the media did go full out on the britain first shout, as mentioned by some "witness" that wasnt even there.
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white asshole kills 1 politician: I KNEW IT ALWAYS THOSE NAZIS!!! FARAGE'S FAULT!!!


noble of you to highlight your own hypocrisy though.
Oh that it were that simple....

I don't expect you to check through my previous posts, but I've been saying this for months...

Me and a close friend from colleague days (who has lived in many countries but is currently in Spain) have been rattling round the same idea for a good 6mths now. We've long been of the opinion that there's a nasty underbelly showing it's face in British main stream politics. These people court the company of Geert Wilders and Marine Le Pen.

Since 1978, I followed the activities of the Anti-Nazi League in the UK, because my brother's mate was vice President. I remember when he used to get razor blades posted to him, and when his house was petrol bombed. Since those days, I've dipped in and out of of the who's who of far right politics and groups in Europe. Remember the Grey Wolves? Remember Jorg Haider? Maybe not...I wouldn't really expect you to, but to me, and the many people like me who keep one eye on this realm of 'politics', the same names crop up again and again down the years. These days, they're suited and booted and acting all respectable, but I remember them when they were on the terraces at football matches in the 70's and early 80's handing out their NF, Column 88 & BM leaflets.


A few weeks ago, my friend and I were talking and said this is all going to end badly. The way the campaign was going on both sides, we fully expected the theatrics and rhetoric to be taken too seriously in some quarters. It's been a nasty, hate filled campaign that is not usually seen on this side of the pond.


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Old 18.06.2016, 22:10
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no his neighbors described him like that. the media did go full out on the britain first shout, as mentioned by some "witness" that wasnt even there.
It's so weird that the Britain First report happened within minutes of the attack, and he turns out to be a Nazi. The witness who made it up got so lucky!
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Old 18.06.2016, 22:17
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It's so weird that the Britain First report happened within minutes of the attack, and he turns out to be a Nazi. The witness who made it up got so lucky!
sure, pretty good bet its a nazi. just showing that the media really dont hold back on reporting a nazi as a nazi.
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Old 18.06.2016, 22:20
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point is, youre called worse than hitler awfully quickly by the left if you are white and critical of left/islam/immigration. white is automatically at fault and nonwhite is always the oppressed victim.

muslim kills 50 gays: oh must be selfhate psych issue HOW DARE YOU RELATE THIS TO ISLAM YOU ISLAMOPHOBE RIGHTWING NAZI!!

white asshole kills 1 politician: I KNEW IT ALWAYS THOSE NAZIS!!! FARAGE'S FAULT!!!


noble of you to highlight your own hypocrisy though.
It's not just 1 guy
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Old 18.06.2016, 22:25
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It's not just 1 guy
damn straight.
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Old 18.06.2016, 22:32
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damn straight.
Don't know what your point is but i see complete double standards, you like to point at islam all the time but seem to whine like a baby when it's suggested that islam might not be the only thing in play. how dare anyone suggest that a this killer might be anything but a loner.
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Old 18.06.2016, 22:37
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Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

And on the mental health of the guy, he wasn't violent, he had depression, something that affects a significant percentage of the population. This guy was radicalised
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Old 18.06.2016, 22:44
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Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

what? this guy is a clear nazi to me, just like mateen is clearly an islamist.

im the least hypocritical of all of you. no need to involve crazy psychology about mateen being in the closet or some shit.

if anything, id make a difference in what i see as a bigger threat. 1 killing by a nazi or the umpteenth case of an islamist flying of the handle + rotherham-like cases + random smaller shit on a daily basis

both bad groups that i would like to see removed. but maybe the nazi scum like mair is not as threatening on a societal level as the islamists.
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Old 18.06.2016, 23:04
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what? this guy is a clear nazi to me, just like mateen is clearly an islamist.

im the least hypocritical of all of you. no need to involve crazy psychology about mateen being in the closet or some shit.

if anything, id make a difference in what i see as a bigger threat. 1 killing by a nazi or the umpteenth case of an islamist flying of the handle + rotherham-like cases + random smaller shit on a daily basis

both bad groups that i would like to see removed. but maybe the nazi scum like mair is not as threatening on a societal level as the islamists.
Lol, i'm the least hypocritical!
stop ing bringing your anti islam shit into this thread when it's that ing kind of bullshit that drove this guy to shoot someone.
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If you prey upon the fears of vulnerable people, and fan the flames of distrust and hatred, then embark upon a campaign supported by the worst the UK has to offer, and on the final day, announce 'Breaking Point', you shouldn't be shocked when someone does break, when someone does take "violence to the streets", and when someone does "punish it's enemies".

If Orson Welles reading 'War of the Worlds' on the radio was enough to make some people evacuate their homes, then the actions and words of the last 6 months have been more than enough fuel for some people.


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...endum-36317915



http://indy100.independent.co.uk/art...on--Z16fxI0Pvl
You need to get on the blower to dave and vote remain right now, they haven't played that one yet: vote remain or mp's will get murdered. That should put a bit of Fear into people.
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what? this guy is a clear nazi to me, just like mateen is clearly an islamist.

im the least hypocritical of all of you. no need to involve crazy psychology about mateen being in the closet or some shit.
Even though Mair's stepfather was from Grenada and he has a mixed race younger brother? You don't see any conflict there?
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Old 18.06.2016, 23:29
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Even though Mair's stepfather was from Grenada and he has a mixed race younger brother? You don't see any conflict there?
For someone active with the ANL, you don't seem to know much about racists.
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For someone active with the ANL, you don't seem to know much about racists.
Comprehension dear boy. I followed their activities, I was never a member or active within that group.
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About the IRA, yes I've met several very wealthy USA citizens of Irish Catholic descent, who hosted very posh events and fund-raising activities to finance the IRA.
Which is the logical conclusion?

Therefore, all Americans support the IRA (as proposed earlier in this thread)

Or

Therefore, all Americans support Sinn Fein.

Or

Therefore, you met a dozen or so Americans in your lifetime who expressed a quasi allegiance with their Irish ancestry and NOTHING ELSE can logically be derived.
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all Americans support the IRA (as proposed earlier in this thread)
Nobody in this thread has said any such thing.
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Which is the logical conclusion?

Therefore, all Americans support the IRA (as proposed earlier in this thread)
Never. You're straying into the objective vs subjective definitions of bigotry, etc...

It's a simple matter of fact that the IRA never made it to the US Government's list of recognised terrorist organisations.

I had a weird moment a few weeks ago in the smoking room at Brussels airport (next to the bar at gate B17 for anyone who might need it ). Having just walked through an area between the piers that still had visible bomb damage, I ended up in this small room with a singing group from Luxembourg who were on their way to Ireland for a singing contest. They were asking other people what nationality they were and singing what they thought were appropriate songs to them. Lili Marlene was ok, then they began to sing Irish rebel songs for the Irish woman next to me. She looked uncomfortable and I made a swift exit.
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Never. You're straying into the objective vs subjective definitions of bigotry, etc...

It's a simple matter of fact that the IRA never made it to the US Government's list of recognised terrorist organisations.

I had a weird moment a few weeks ago in the smoking room at Brussels airport (next to the bar at gate B17 for anyone who might need it ). Having just walked through an area between the piers that still had visible bomb damage, I ended up in this small room with a singing group from Luxembourg who were on their way to Ireland for a singing contest. They were asking other people what nationality they were and singing what they thought were appropriate songs to them. Lili Marlene was ok, then they began to sing Irish rebel songs for the Irish woman next to me. She looked uncomfortable and I made a swift exit.
It's no more bigoted than Trump labelling every Muslim as being a terrorist. And iirc didn't he also say terrorist groups in Europe as well would be banned. I'm pretty certain the IRA made it on to the UK's list so yes, a ban should be applied if that's the case.
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Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Beyond belief:

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/uk/neo-nazi-group-voices-support-jo-cox-murder-suspect-thomas-mair/
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Beyond belief:

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/uk/neo-nazi-group-voices-support-jo-cox-murder-suspect-thomas-mair/
Almost beats the one I saw yesterday about Jo Cox's murder being part of an EU conspiracy and Mair being the patsy.

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