Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #161  
Old 20.06.2016, 18:47
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,043
Groaned at 131 Times in 93 Posts
Thanked 3,722 Times in 1,420 Posts
Mikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
Don't know if it's a brexit topic but he was certainly pro brexit and certainly a nazi. IMO he's scum too.
and he had a history of depression so might be mentally not all there. though thats probably not high on the list as you throw the noose over the nearest tree.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Mikers for this useful post:
  #162  
Old 20.06.2016, 18:49
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 9,139
Groaned at 175 Times in 150 Posts
Thanked 17,109 Times in 7,268 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
and he had a history of depression so might be mentally not all there. though thats probably not high on the list as you throw the noose over the nearest tree.
Down with all mentally depressed scum.
Reply With Quote
  #163  
Old 20.06.2016, 18:51
mirfield's Avatar
Moddy McModface
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Basel
Posts: 8,469
Groaned at 56 Times in 50 Posts
Thanked 8,829 Times in 3,249 Posts
mirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
My googlefoo has let me down. Could someone point me at an explanation of what "The terrorism Protocol" is?
And does it allow diminished responsibility?
Reply With Quote
  #164  
Old 20.06.2016, 18:54
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Formerly in Neuchatel
Posts: 2,555
Groaned at 223 Times in 154 Posts
Thanked 4,466 Times in 1,731 Posts
porsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
and he had a history of depression so might be mentally not all there. though thats probably not high on the list as you throw the noose over the nearest tree.
Sure, like all the ISIS loners who do the mass shootings and blow people up. I'm pretty sure staring a young boy in the eyes before lopping his head off makes you some sort of mentally ill but I think you can also be a terrorist
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank porsch1909 for this useful post:
  #165  
Old 20.06.2016, 18:57
JagWaugh's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 5,990
Groaned at 41 Times in 40 Posts
Thanked 11,228 Times in 4,435 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
And does it allow diminished responsibility?


Still fooing around, but it would seem that it relates to getting the cases before a senior judge as fast as possible, with various provisions about who needs informing to what schedule, and the place of custody of the accused.


best I've found is from 2007


http://www.criminalsolicitor.net/for...s.asp?TID=2038
Reply With Quote
  #166  
Old 20.06.2016, 18:57
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,043
Groaned at 131 Times in 93 Posts
Thanked 3,722 Times in 1,420 Posts
Mikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
Sure, like all the ISIS loners who do the mass shootings and blow people up. I'm pretty sure staring a young boy in the eyes before lopping his head off makes you some sort of mentally ill but I think you can also be a terrorist
I agree. So if you are mentally ill (and not a terrorist) in that case we're agreed its diminished responsibility and he needs to go to a medical establishment for some well needed treatment.
Reply With Quote
  #167  
Old 20.06.2016, 19:05
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Formerly in Neuchatel
Posts: 2,555
Groaned at 223 Times in 154 Posts
Thanked 4,466 Times in 1,731 Posts
porsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
I agree. So if you are mentally ill (and not a terrorist) in that case we're agreed its diminished responsibility and he needs to go to a medical establishment for some well needed treatment.
Depends how mentally ill. There's a lot to say anyone who kills anyone isn't quite normal, but I'm not sure that's the test. The fact that this was a politically motivated assassination and thus terrorism cannot be disputed
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank porsch1909 for this useful post:
  #168  
Old 20.06.2016, 19:08
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,043
Groaned at 131 Times in 93 Posts
Thanked 3,722 Times in 1,420 Posts
Mikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
Depends how mentally ill. There's a lot to say anyone who kills anyone isn't quite normal, but I'm not sure that's the test. The fact that this was a politically motivated assassination and thus terrorism cannot be disputed
well, it can really and im sure it will in court. You can only be a politically motivated assassin if all the lights are on upstairs and as Castro said, its for a judge to decide that.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Mikers for this useful post:
  #169  
Old 20.06.2016, 19:18
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 1,897
Groaned at 60 Times in 56 Posts
Thanked 4,769 Times in 2,164 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
My googlefoo has let me down. Could someone point me at an explanation of what "The terrorism Protocol" is?
It's a case where only senior judges are present and specified terrorist offences may be tried in any place in the UK, irrespective of where the offence took place.

That's as much as I can glean from Blackstones, which won't allow me to cut and paste.Maximum sentence would be life rather than the maximum sentence for murder.

If you really want to plough through the full text, the reference is Section 10.1...

https://books.google.ch/books?id=M1n...0uk%23&f=false
Reply With Quote
  #170  
Old 20.06.2016, 19:24
JagWaugh's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 5,990
Groaned at 41 Times in 40 Posts
Thanked 11,228 Times in 4,435 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
It's a case where only senior judges are present and specified terrorist offences may be tried in any place in the UK, irrespective of where the offence took place.

That's as much as I can glean from Blackstones, which won't allow me to cut and paste.Maximum sentence would be life rather than the maximum sentence for murder.

If you really want to plough through the full text, the reference is Section 10.1...

https://books.google.ch/books?id=M1n...0uk%23&f=false
ta
Reply With Quote
  #171  
Old 20.06.2016, 19:24
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 1,897
Groaned at 60 Times in 56 Posts
Thanked 4,769 Times in 2,164 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
well, it can really and im sure it will in court. You can only be a politically motivated assassin if all the lights are on upstairs and as Castro said, its for a judge to decide that.
It is.

The psychiatric reports were ordered during Saturday's hearing at Westminster Magistrates, and the next hearing is Thursday.

I don't know how these things work, and just tried to call my bro (retired solicitor / barrister) but he's out. Typical!
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #172  
Old 20.06.2016, 19:52
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Formerly in Neuchatel
Posts: 2,555
Groaned at 223 Times in 154 Posts
Thanked 4,466 Times in 1,731 Posts
porsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
well, it can really and im sure it will in court. You can only be a politically motivated assassin if all the lights are on upstairs and as Castro said, its for a judge to decide that.
are you just sad because he's one of your guys?
Reply With Quote
  #173  
Old 20.06.2016, 20:03
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,043
Groaned at 131 Times in 93 Posts
Thanked 3,722 Times in 1,420 Posts
Mikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
are you just sad because he's one of your guys?
Someone has to make The case for the other viewpoint beyond hang the bastard. It's not going to be you really is it ?
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Mikers for this useful post:
This user groans at Mikers for this post:
  #174  
Old 20.06.2016, 20:40
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 9,139
Groaned at 175 Times in 150 Posts
Thanked 17,109 Times in 7,268 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
It is.

The psychiatric reports were ordered during Saturday's hearing at Westminster Magistrates, and the next hearing is Thursday.

I don't know how these things work, and just tried to call my bro (retired solicitor / barrister) but he's out. Typical!
The speed at which the evidence was gathered and the trial is beginning would suggest that this going to be a case open, case shut scenario.
Reply With Quote
  #175  
Old 20.06.2016, 21:23
Loz1983's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zürich
Posts: 1,594
Groaned at 459 Times in 273 Posts
Thanked 7,469 Times in 2,889 Posts
Loz1983 has a reputation beyond reputeLoz1983 has a reputation beyond reputeLoz1983 has a reputation beyond reputeLoz1983 has a reputation beyond reputeLoz1983 has a reputation beyond reputeLoz1983 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Odile, why did you groan that post? Do you not believe in fair trial by jury? Or do you not think there's just a small chance he may be bonkers?
Reply With Quote
  #176  
Old 20.06.2016, 21:38
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 1,897
Groaned at 60 Times in 56 Posts
Thanked 4,769 Times in 2,164 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Not all people who will vote leave are bigoted. Many are voting to leave for other reasons. That said, we cannot escape that the UKIP side of the campaign has been contentious.

As for Mair....I would prefer that the legal system goes at him with everything they can, then if diminished responsibility does come into play based upon psychiatric reports, they can deal with it then. I would hate the first charge to be manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility and then try to make a terrorism charge stick after that.

I'm also very wary of someone's past mental health issues being a get out clause for future actions. That line of thinking could be seriously detrimental to the many people who have suffered from depression and made a full recovery. This must be based upon his mental state as it was last Thursday and the months immediately prior.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #177  
Old 20.06.2016, 21:40
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Neuchatel
Posts: 20,838
Groaned at 434 Times in 328 Posts
Thanked 23,874 Times in 10,818 Posts
Odile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

You miss the point totally. Most, perhaps all, killers and terrorists have mental issues. They are not all given fair trial - that is the point- depending on colour, ethnicity, and religion. Ask Trump.

Same for rape. White middle class, 6 months as was stressed by exams and has suffered enough. Black and you get 30 years. you know that.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Odile for this useful post:
  #178  
Old 20.06.2016, 21:45
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Formerly in Neuchatel
Posts: 2,555
Groaned at 223 Times in 154 Posts
Thanked 4,466 Times in 1,731 Posts
porsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

See the issue isn't mental health or not it's the brazenly racist way people go about it all. Lee Rigbys killer was a schizophrenic but I didn't hear all the NIMBY brexiters bleating on about getting him treated on the NHS.
Reply With Quote
  #179  
Old 20.06.2016, 22:12
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,043
Groaned at 131 Times in 93 Posts
Thanked 3,722 Times in 1,420 Posts
Mikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
See the issue isn't mental health or not it's the brazenly racist way people go about it all. Lee Rigbys killer was a schizophrenic but I didn't hear all the NIMBY brexiters bleating on about getting him treated on the NHS.
Chuck in a bit of 'racist brexiteers' - never fails to give you that warm glow of self righteousness does it ?
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Mikers for this useful post:
  #180  
Old 20.06.2016, 22:24
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Formerly in Neuchatel
Posts: 2,555
Groaned at 223 Times in 154 Posts
Thanked 4,466 Times in 1,731 Posts
porsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

Quote:
View Post
Chuck in a bit of 'racist brexiteers' - never fails to give you that warm glow of self righteousness does it ?
nimby, not racist.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Advice please [nervous about train travel after the attack in France] seliza Daily life 30 24.08.2015 10:13
Shooting in Aargau - several dead telandy Daily life 1 10.05.2015 10:22
3 dead in shooting in Wilderswil, Bern PaddyG Swiss politics/news 2 03.11.2014 15:14
Cops nab German prof after boob job attack The Local Swiss news via The Local 0 23.11.2011 15:43
82 year old retiree dies 4 days after attack by cyclists jrspet Swiss politics/news 13 02.05.2011 20:46


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 19:09.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0