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View Poll Results: Time for a Swiss passport
I'm not British but want to vote 15 26.32%
I'm British and have a Swiss passport 8 14.04%
I'm British and will get a Swiss passport 10 17.54%
I'm British, won't get a Swiss passport and run the risk of being deported 10 17.54%
I'm British and have a filthy other EU passport 3 5.26%
Polls confuse me 11 19.30%
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:17
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Re: Time for a Swiss passport?

It's written in law that any rights afforded to a person under the freedom of movement agreement remain in place even in the event of one or other of the countries withdrawing from that agreement.

So if you're here and on a C then you're sorted. If you're here on a B then you're probably sorted, but may have to wait an extra 5 years for a C in the event that the official withdrawal from the EU happens before your B expires.
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:22
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And quite unlike Exit voters who didn't bother with facts in the first place.
Virtually no-one voted based on facts due to a combination of arrogant politicians not giving us any and them simply not being known. So it was primarily an emotional vote.

Which is what makes it so exciting!

It's like an excited hyperactive child running around in a shop. It's fun to see what gets smashed and to see what the shopkeeper does about replacing the smashed items, spanking the kid, crying, or just going bankrupt and opening a chippy instead.
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:31
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And quite unlike Exit voters who didn't bother with facts in the first place.
Nazis don't need facts
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Old 24.06.2016, 12:55
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Swiss passports should be denied to any UK citizen who voted OUT - and are now watching the demise from the safety of their plush job, fat Swiss salaries and the comfort of their alpine and lake views- adn whose only personal consequences will be cheaper holidays in the UK and abroad...
Why? Not everyone who voted out is a right-winged ahole or has been one ever since. Maybe they just got disillusioned over time. Have you never changed your mind on a political matter over the course of a decade or so? The world is not stagnant, neither are opinions and attitudes. Just because someone once believed in the EU and made use of its advantages doesn't mean that 15 years later, they aren't allowed to change their mind.

This is a bit like the corporate world. You go in young and dumb, all optimistic and fascinated, only seeing and making use of the positive sides, and 10, 15, 20 years down the line, what remains for many, though not all, is frustration with the constant lack of stability, the ever-present big egos, the mundane work and the overcomplicated bureaucracy. And that's when it becomes a choice: leave, giving up some of the advantages, or stay, accepting the cons. Politics are just like that.

(Swiss btw, born and bred, liberal, no influence on British politics whatsoever)

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Re: Time for a Swiss passport?

I wasn't allowed to vote because I have been out of the Uk too long but speaking friends and family back home, the majority from the north of England.
They felt that there had been no benefit's to being in the EU, they could only mention job loss's, rising crime, failing NHS, all our industries being decimated..They think it couldn't get worse so wanted to try change.

I think nothing will change for at least five years as virtually every law will need to be rewritten and all the trade agreements re-negotiated.

I think by then the Uk won't be the only one's to exit..I can see the Netherlands following suit..then the rest like a domino 's
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I wasn't allowed to vote because I have been out of the Uk too long but speaking friends and family back home, the majority from the north of England.
They felt that there had been no benefit's to being in the EU, they could only mention job loss's, rising crime, failing NHS, all our industries being decimated..They think it couldn't get worse so wanted to try change.

I think nothing will change for at least five years as virtually every law will need to be rewritten and all the trade agreements re-negotiated.

I think by then the Uk won't be the only one's to exit..I can see the Netherlands following suit..then the rest like a domino 's
At least the EU didn't adversely affect your supply of apostrophes.
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job loss's, rising crime, failing NHS, all our industries being decimated
The EU is/was responsible for all of these? How exactly?
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Re: Time for a Swiss passport?

BTW, to refer back to the thread title: If any cute young lady wants a Swiss passport, PM me
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Old 24.06.2016, 14:37
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BTW, to refer back to the thread title: If any cute young lady wants a Swiss passport, PM me
That's a new level of desperate...


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That's a new level of desperate...
Well JagWaugh refused to tell me how to find those young cute ladies
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Old 24.06.2016, 14:49
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Well JagWaugh refused to tell me how to find those young cute ladies
If you're relying on me for that kind of information you're even more desperate than Treverus thinks.
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Old 24.06.2016, 14:50
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If the UK joins the EFTA
I don't think we are going to join any other country block anytime soon. I would imagine a domino effect where some nations choose/vote instead to leave the UK (Scotland, N.Ireland, maybe even Gibraltar..).

There was 43 years to make the British feel more European, and the result is this cock up. I just really wonder who the daily mail is going b!tch about now

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Re: Time for a Swiss passport?

Brits wont get kicked out - CH is not in the EU remember. they have some alignments, but for goodness sake.
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Old 24.06.2016, 15:06
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Brits wont get kicked out - CH is not in the EU remember. they have some alignments, but for goodness sake.
CH is in Schengen... and that's an EU treaty. So CH cannot make it's own decisions so easily who is allowed and who not. Kind of the whole point of Brexit but with reversed signs... what will happen to EU nationals in the UK as well as UK nationals in the EU (plus CH)? Depends on the negotiations... in the not too unrealistic worst case will UK passport holders be the same level as all other Non-EUs, just like all the US, Canadian, Australian and what not else EF users.
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Old 24.06.2016, 15:22
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CH is in Schengen... and that's an EU treaty. So CH cannot make it's own decisions so easily who is allowed and who not. Kind of the whole point of Brexit but with reversed signs... what will happen to EU nationals in the UK as well as UK nationals in the EU (plus CH)? Depends on the negotiations... in the not too unrealistic worst case will UK passport holders be the same level as all other Non-EUs, just like all the US, Canadian, Australian and what not else EF users.
But they still won't get kicked out. It may become harder for Brits to immigrate into Switzerland, but for the ones already here, I don't see any change.
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Old 24.06.2016, 15:27
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Re: Time for a Swiss passport?

I'm not too worried, I don't think we'll lose freedom of movement, also I'm married to a Swiss citizen. But I'll apply for Swiss citizenship this year just to cover my back.
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Old 24.06.2016, 15:32
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But they still won't get kicked out. It may become harder for Brits to immigrate into Switzerland, but for the ones already here, I don't see any change.
No, not kicked out. As I said: treated the same as other Non-EUs. Which means: harder to get a work permit as all EU citizens enjoy priority... Harder to change jobs in CH while on a B permit.


I have lived in CH before the Schengen treaty was signed and well: there must be and will be some way to immigrate, but it will be much more troublesome than it is for Brits today. I don't just remember the old days but we just made that experience last year: My non-EU wife returned before me. When I came back to CH was it a formality. No job yet? No problem... for her was it at least 3 times the amount of paper work. That's what I think will be the outcome.
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CH is in Schengen... and that's an EU treaty.
Well no, it's not. Not really, although the EU may have had a large part in its making.

Not all EU members signed up for it, and some non-EU-members did, and in this case the UK never was, and CH always was, a party to that agreement, so the UK's membership, or otherwise, of the EU can have no bearing on it whatsoever.
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If the UK joins the EFTA the status of British citizens in Switzerland will remain the same. In the meantime, they might be in limbo.

5) Stay calm and carry on.
You need membership of the EFTA-EEA agreement for that and that includes contribution to budgets, FMOP etc....

Perhaps not so calming after all
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The EU is/was responsible for all of these? How exactly?
It's invoking the old politician logical fallacy.
1) This is terrible, we must do something
2) This is something
3) Let's do it.

1) The UK is experiencing job loss, rising crime, a failing NHS, and all our industries being decimated. We must do something.
2) Leaving the EU is something
3) Let's do it.

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I have lived in CH before the Schengen treaty was signed and well: there must be and will be some way to immigrate, but it will be much more troublesome than it is for Brits today.
Point of order. Schengen was agreed to by the Swiss in 2005, and implemented in 2009. The "freedom of movement", by which quotas were abolished and EU citizens could freely(ish) settle in Switzerland, was implemented in July (maybe June) of 2002.

I got my B permit in February 2002 and had to supply all kinds of paperwork.
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