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View Poll Results: Would you like Marine Le Pen to become president and take France out of the EU?
Yes I want her to become president and take France out of the EU. 13 12.75%
Yes I want her to become president, but France should stay in the EU. 8 7.84%
No I don't want her to become president, but France should leave the EU nonetheless. 7 6.86%
No I don't want her to become president and I don't want France to leave the EU. 62 60.78%
I couldn't care less about Marine Le Pen, France, or the EU. 12 11.76%
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Old 04.12.2018, 08:22
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Re: Marine Le Pen for president and Frexit

This is aging nicely

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/s...17789537193988

Remember when they said that a Le Pen victory would result in riots?
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This is aging nicely

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/s...17789537193988

Remember when they said that a Le Pen victory would result in riots?
I have to remind you that these protests encompass a very mixed crowd apart from the real protesters - far-left wing and far-right wing "trouble makers".

In all fairness, Macron promised reforms and now he delivers. The price for carburants was always subventioned by the state in France and now they'll have to deal with the cruel reality that the state doesn't sponsor certain things anymore. In a way - welcome to the real world...other countries have oil and gas and prices bigger than in France, fancy that. At a fraction of the French median salary. French socialism is over, Loz...I guess you should be happy about that?
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I have to remind you that these protests encompass a very mixed crowd apart from the real protesters - far-left wing and far-right wing "trouble makers".

In all fairness, Macron promised reforms and now he delivers. The price for carburants was always subventioned by the state in France and now they'll have to deal with the cruel reality that the state doesn't sponsor certain things anymore. In a way - welcome to the real world...other countries have oil and gas and prices bigger than in France, fancy that.
The fuel tax is likely just the catalyst for wider and deeper unrest. Now that they're halting the tax rise, it will be interesting to see if the protesting stops.
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The fuel protests are symptomatic for the decline of rurtal areas. Many smaller towns are declining as jobs are lost and people are having to commute further and into the larger cities. On the one hand the French government has failed to build up a reasonable and useful public transport system in rural areas, thus forcing people to rely heavily on driving, and now on the other hand they are (well, were) hiking the price of fuel.

Maybe the governemnt can back off here and thjere, but it doesn't redress the general and overall feeling that actually the government doesn't really care about the disadvantaged classes. Even if the protesters go home, the issues will continue to simmer below the surface.
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The fuel protests are symptomatic for the decline of rural areas. Many smaller towns are declining as jobs are lost and people are having to commute further and into the larger cities. On the one hand the French government has failed to build up a reasonable and useful public transport system in rural areas, thus forcing people to rely heavily on driving, and now on the other hand they are (well, were) hiking the price of fuel.

Maybe the government can back off here and there, but it doesn't redress the general and overall feeling that actually the government doesn't really care about the disadvantaged classes. Even if the protesters go home, the issues will continue to simmer below the surface.
Fuel prices also affect manufacturers which increases prices of goods and services. It's not just a case of it being a bit pricey to go into town...
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So it seems the protest was worth it:

French Government to Suspend Fuel Tax to End ‘Yellow Vests’ Protests

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...premium-europe
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Got to hand it to the French, they know how to get action out of their government. If Brexit ends up getting overturned, there wouldn't be near the same amount of outcry, just a very British sullen acceptance.
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Got to hand it to the French, they know how to get action out of their government. If Brexit ends up getting overturned, there wouldn't be near the same amount of outcry, just a very British sullen acceptance.
I, for one, hope that Brexit is not getting overturned because people should stick to their choices. This discussion about the latest events in France is totally separated from the original post though.

But you are right, the French have a long tradition of protesting and taking to the streets and are quite efficient at that. To me most of them seem to know surprisingly well what the issues are and what it really hurts them.
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To build up a more efficient public transport system will take years....as for the decline of rural areas it's a general phenomenon. Anyone who promised them it could be reversed overnight was lying.
It's not about changing things overnight.

These problems have been developing for and have been largely ignored for decades. The arrogant oligarchs in Paris are largely ignorant that there is a France outside of Paris.
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So it seems the protest was worth it:

French Government to Suspend Fuel Tax to End ‘Yellow Vests’ Protests

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...premium-europe
French government is so weak. Hardly surprising that France has become a handout state.
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89,000 police are going to be on duty across France this weekend. Get the popcorn at the ready.
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French government is so weak. Hardly surprising that France has become a handout state.
It's interesting to observe that the man who thinks he can rule over Europe with an iron rod cannot even control his own country.
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