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Yes I want her to become president and take France out of the EU. 11 12.64%
Yes I want her to become president, but France should stay in the EU. 8 9.20%
No I don't want her to become president, but France should leave the EU nonetheless. 6 6.90%
No I don't want her to become president and I don't want France to leave the EU. 51 58.62%
I couldn't care less about Marine Le Pen, France, or the EU. 11 12.64%
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Old 01.12.2016, 15:56
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This doesn't really cut it, or the FN wouldn't be in the position it is already, or SVP here and AfD in Germany for that matter. Being educated or not, politically or otherwise, isn't the big divider.
Blocher has actually said that his model after which he shaped the SVP was the CSU of Strauss' day. The Austrian FPÖ was similarly inspired back when Haider was still in charge.

The ideological roots of the FN are more complicated than that, but Germany's AfD definitely look up to the SVP as a model, so you can say that the AfD is a German political model coming home.
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Re: Marine Le Pen for president and Frexit

Hollande just announced he's not seeking a second mandate! Champagne all round!!!
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Hollande just announced he's not seeking a second mandate! Champagne all round!!!
Why? You're not French, your country is not in EU anymore, so? What's in it for you? Just curious.

Seriously, I see a lot of British lurking and preaching, and it makes me wonder. Is it because you "know" better for everybody else, or what. Whatever it is, please do enlighten me.
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Old 01.12.2016, 22:27
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Why? You're not French, your country is not in EU anymore, so? What's in it for you? Just curious.

Seriously, I see a lot of Americans lurking and preaching, and it makes me wonder. Is it because you "know" better for everybody else, or what. Whatever it is, please do enlighten me.
Fixed that for you
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Old 02.12.2016, 10:18
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I don't think it's about what will or will not happen. It's that the same problems are occurring in France as occurred in the UK and USA. Even if Fillon becomes president, Marine won't magically disappear into a black hole. What will happen in Germany is more an open question. Listening to Merkel's grandstanding, she is preparing Germany to be the only reasonable and decent country left standing. In other words, she sees her destiny in splendid isolation. A pity that her glorious and superior education didn't include any history courses.
I don't really believe Merkel has an ideology of her own, nor does she truly lead the country in any particular direction. She simply plays a figurehead role, like the kinds you see carved in front of old ships. She only needs to appear like she is leading the country, but other factors are determining the course of the ship. I think she will just try to recast herself as a conservative in due course of time, and Germans and Europeans will convince themselves to eat it up.

It may be a good time to start looking for a bargain vacation home on the Cote d'Azur. Vive la France!
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Old 02.12.2016, 10:40
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Fixed that for you
Yeah, they're cute too.
From another thread, on US

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What is of more interest is the impact around him and how it changes the dynamics of the US as it goes through its upcoming changes. I believe there are upcoming opportunities for US to boom - the US, not Trump. I think it has the potential to be huuuuge and amazing in a couple of years.
It's similar to what you read on the thread about Brexit.

I can't take these people seriously.


Anyway, it seems the left will have Valls..
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Old 02.12.2016, 11:23
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Why? You're not French, your country is not in EU anymore, so? What's in it for you? Just curious.
Just out of interest, did you ask the same question of the leftist Europeans who bash Trump?
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Just out of interest, did you ask the same question of the leftist Europeans who bash Trump?
Who are the leftists now? Those who are against giving total disinhibition and extremism the validation and legitimacy they need? It looks like everyone who speaks up against far right parties and the vibes of the last century '30s is a lefty now.
France has a strong socialist tradition and I don't know why is this so looked down upon by people who bring the same arguments in various discussions but wrap them up in a different package. The disenfranchised local blue collar class who could afford having a middle class life style two centuries ago (I'm joking, before anyone starts correcting me), the loss of the good jobs etc etc. So? What is it in the end? Is the right wing politics the only one allowed to express their views on pretty much everything?



Off topic. This is a 3 y.o. story but funny nevertheless

http://www.mining.com/how-stupid-do-...inister-77806/

I can see Marine Le Pen fighting with her arms and teeth against the bloody imperialists. She'll give people whatever they want to hear, same as lovely Farage. She'll be a true lefty at heart for the good, pure French people, she'll be Göring for the ugly immigrants, but secretly letting them in as a necessary evil. Make up your mind folks.

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Old 02.12.2016, 11:52
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Who are the leftists now? Those who are against giving total disinhibition and extremism the validation and legitimacy they need? It looks like everyone who speaks up against far right parties and the vibes of the last century '30s is a lefty now.
France has a strong socialist tradition and I don't know why is this so looked down upon by people who bring the same arguments in various discussions but wrap them up in a different package. The disenfranchised local blue collar class who could afford having a middle class life style two centuries ago (I'm joking, before anyone starts correcting me), the loss of the good jobs etc etc. So? What is it in the end? Is the right wing politics the only one allowed to express their views on pretty much everything?
Very true.

But you didn't really answer my question.

You proposed that Brits and Americans have no business discussing French politics. By the same measure, do you agree that Europeans shouldn't criticize Trump?
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Old 02.12.2016, 11:54
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Re: Marine Le Pen for president and Frexit

If the run-off comes out to a choice between Fillon vs. Le Pen, it will be hilarious to see leftists rooting for one or another. I'm laughing about it already.
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Why? You're not French, your country is not in EU anymore, so? What's in it for you? Just curious.

Seriously, I see a lot of British lurking and preaching, and it makes me wonder. Is it because you "know" better for everybody else, or what. Whatever it is, please do enlighten me.
Because I'm in the Francophone bit of the country, speak French bilingually and have been following French politics for 25 years. I know their politics better than I know the Swiss ones, so I am qualified to comment on them, unlike some here.

Hollande having resigned himself to not being candidate, Valls has taken his place and is a is a much stronger candidate. He actually has some good results, and doesn't look as weak as FH. Oh and he doesn't place his exs in various positions around him.
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Because I'm in the Francophone bit of the country, speak French bilingually and have been following French politics for 25 years. I know their politics better than I know the Swiss ones, so I am qualified to comment on them, unlike some here.

Hollande having resigned himself to not being candidate, Valls has taken his place and is a is a much stronger candidate. He actually has some good results, and doesn't look as weak as FH. Oh and he doesn't place his exs in various positions around him.
Oh, don't worry, you're not the only one who has no idea about Swiss politics. Some parts of this forum are like a replica of the Daily Mail online comments section and totally disconnected from Switzerland most of the time.
Good to know you're an qualified expert on French politics, guess you've got your diploma from Sorbonne... Looking forward to reading more from you!
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Old 07.12.2016, 21:32
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Hollande having resigned himself to not being candidate, Valls has taken his place and is a is a much stronger candidate. He actually has some good results, and doesn't look as weak as FH. Oh and he doesn't place his exs in various positions around him.
Valls has been with Hollande's government from the beginning as Interior Minister, he then became Prime Minister. This means that he shares the successes and failures of Hollande's presidency. Clearly it's full of failures and he is a cause for a large part.

Valls has a very special character: very arrogant, authoritarian. He is the main reason why the french socialist party is so divided: he applied a program that was definitely not in Hollande's presidential campaign. He despised the left wing of the party and had very aggressive words/attitudes towards certain minorities in the country. His supporters are a small part of the left voters and almost none from the right. There are many competitors on the left wing: Macron, Montebourg, Melenchon, Peillon, Lienemann....and they have a larger support than Valls given that even the closest friends of Hollande favor Peillon. The reason being that Valls disowned Hollande in private/in front of journalists.

So all in all Valls has weak chances. Regarding the ex's of Hollande: you are unfair. Segolene Royal is a recognized politician, and had a successful career before even Hollande became president. On the other hand, Valls is not so "clean" as you pretend. He was involved in the "MNEF scandal" in the late 80s. His wife, the violonist Anne Gravoin, leads an orchestra that is sponsored by the weirdest weapon dealers operating in Africa (the "franceafrique" network)....in exchange of what? There are many suspicious activities going on there. Valls was also mayor of Evry and he gave his ex-wife a contract for a large project funded by tax money (conflict of interest).
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Re: Marine Le Pen for president and Frexit

Probably not relevant but it is nearly Friday and I found this amusing; another nail in Hollande's coffin - although not needed!

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France's honest tax system crusader convicted for hiding millions of euros Jérôme Cahuzac, appointed by Hollande to lead clampdown on wealthy avoiders, hid cash in a secret Swiss account for 20 years
Jérôme Cahuzac has been sentenced to three years in prison for tax fraud and secretly stashing his wealth in tax havens around the world.
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Not new news but now sentence has been passed.
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Former French president Nicolas Sarkozy looks set to stand trial over allegations that his 2012 re-election campaign received illegal funding after France’s court of appeal on Thursday dismissed attempts to have the case thrown out.

At the centre of the campaign finance scandal is an event company called Bygmalion, which allegedly charged spending linked to Mr Sarkozy’s campaign to his centre-right party, to conceal that the campaign had reached the €22.5m legal limit.
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Remarkably it looks as if Macron has closed the gap and Le Pen may not now even make the run off.

Macron is exactly what France doesn't need right now. Probably doesn't matter either way - France is in terminal decline regardless.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7512021.html

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/sta...28464974385157
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Remarkably it looks as if Macron has closed the gap and Le Pen may not now even make the run off.

Macron is exactly what France doesn't need right now. Probably doesn't matter either way - France is in terminal decline regardless.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7512021.html

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/sta...28464974385157
According to you people France has been in terminal decline forever.
At some point a terminal situation has to end.
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According to you people France has been in terminal decline forever.
At some point a terminal situation has to end.
More so after Napleons deafeat at Waterloo, 18th June, 1815.
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According to you people France has been in terminal decline forever.
At some point a terminal situation has to end.
Well first there's this:

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/s...08100395257856

But as most of the Western World has idiotic levels of government debt, have a look at these charts.

Perhaps terminal was the wrong choice of word, but it's hard to see a way back for France.







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France had had abysmal performance in these rankings since forever, I don't understand what you are trying to prove by showing even more of them.
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