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I think we can say known terrorists straddle a pretty wide swathe of the socio-economic spectrum. Its not the socio-economic spectrum that causes it, but the ideology, and one can argue that some are more susceptible than others. Nevertheless, trying to apply a socio-economic solution to an ideological situation misses the point and won't address the problem. It may actually exarcebate the problem.
I think there isn't a simple answer to this.

You have some people who will commit terrorist acts for a political or religious reason and where these people are totally normal people (i.e. not mentally disturbed). This may simply be a rational thought-out calculated means to an end e.g. IRA attacks.

You have some who may be somewhat nuts and who kill for reasons known only to themselves.

You may have people who are persuaded to commit terrorist acts by others.

I don't think you can stop it, all you can do is have reasonable security and alertness. As several terrorists incidents have shown it is not just the 'outsider muslim' terrorist that have struck, but also locals.

While you can try to increase checks to stop people who come with the sole intent of killing, I wonder how successful that could be. After all there is no test you can run to detect a terrorist. And unless you are Trump, you can't just ban all Muslims (and it isn't even clear if that would even help).
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The change is that terrorism isn't making just a political point anymore.
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I have no idea of how to solve the problem, playing to IS' hand probably isn't a good way to go about it.
The Nice attack has a pretty clear and stated political point, and that is to destabilise France and Europe. Looking at our own incoherence on how to even understand and interpret, we aren't very united against this. So we are very much vulnerable to it, and this attack does have effect. I think the one real response to this is a strong central leader, but the West can't appetite this, yet. Personally, I hope it doesn't come to that. Otherwise we just whistle along as if we didn't see anything. That is already bad enough as it is.
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Old 15.07.2016, 18:31
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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice, France - truck runs over crowd

Truck terrorist Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel who murdered 84 on Bastille Day in Nice, was described by a cousin as a 'nasty piece of work' who never observed the rules of Islam. He drank alcohol, ate pork and took drugs. He was NOT a Muslim - he was a s***'

Apart from the Hello Snackbar shout, who even knows that this is anything to do with IS? Maybe it's just another exemplar of a wider-lying, more deep-rooted problem?
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Canada is about as multiculti as you will find. Almost no terrorism, homegrown or not. The point being that multiculturalism can work.



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This kind of Islamic terrorism actually feeds a number of symbiotic co-dependencies:
-Gives extreme right-wingers a boost in purpose
-Leftists find a kin in their fight for a socialist revolution, in the name of social justice
-Moderate muslims actually have common aims of spreading Islam, albeit through a not-necessarily violent method.
-Governments actually benefit as people run to government for a solution.

And then there are probably a number of other horizontal and vertical interests.

I think all people need some self-reflection on how they themselves might be feeding this. Although I find it totally ridiculous to divert attention and assign blame to something other than what this is. This can't be tolerated, as it can destroy everything else.
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Perhaps too long. Still seemed to be working this spring as I walked up Spadina and around the St Lawrence Market. Oh yes, I forgot, Tronna isn't Canada.
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It depends. If we're talking 9/11 then yes, many of the hijackers were Saudi playboys. If we're talking France, then the profile changes, young men raised in rotten banlieues, working Mcjobs and involved in petty or violent crimes.
Perhaps there are two (or more) main "paths" to turn terrorist? One the intellactual muslim who turns violent on calm thinking. And two someone who just doesn't fit to start with, be that because they're already criminal or gay or whatever, and who then turn to violent Islam because it allows them to lash back (gay or otherwise suppressed) or kind of rationalizes their already existing violence and gives them meaning.
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Truck terrorist Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel who murdered 84 on Bastille Day in Nice, was described by a cousin as a 'nasty piece of work' who never observed the rules of Islam. He drank alcohol, ate pork and took drugs. He was NOT a Muslim - he was a s***'

Apart from the Hello Snackbar shout, who even knows that this is anything to do with IS? Maybe it's just another exemplar of a wider-lying, more deep-rooted problem?

It seems to me there is a blocked sewer pipe in France
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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice, France - truck runs over crowd

These head chopping, bomb blowing, truck driving animals are vicious thugs, plain and simple. Yes, they're Muslims but their adherence to the principles of the religion they 'follow' is non-existent. IS is a rabble of disenfranchised weaklings and people who should otherwise be behind bars.
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Truck terrorist Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel who murdered 84 on Bastille Day in Nice, was described by a cousin as a 'nasty piece of work' who never observed the rules of Islam. He drank alcohol, ate pork and took drugs. He was NOT a Muslim - he was a s***'

Apart from the Hello Snackbar shout, who even knows that this is anything to do with IS? Maybe it's just another exemplar of a wider-lying, more deep-rooted problem?
i wonder how many muslims there really are in the world.

1.6 billion - the ones that transgressed some rule some time = like 5000 or so?
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If that quantifies a thought from you, keep it to yourself, because that is absolute nonsense.

Loz you are quite simply xenophobic.
Ahhh yes, the go-to response for the Islamic Terrorist apologist. Accuse someone of xenophocia/RAAAYYSISSM and then demand silence. Take you long to think that one up?

I can accept that some cultures are better than others. And that they are incompatible with the brand multiculturalism that exists across Western Europe.
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Loz is clearly NOT a racist. Islam isn't a race
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Loz is clearly NOT a racist. Islam isn't a race
And my brown mother would be very upset to learn that I am .
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Loz is clearly NOT a racist. Islam isn't a race
Good thing he wasn't called one.
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Apart from the Hello Snackbar shout, who even knows that this is anything to do with IS? Maybe it's just another exemplar of a wider-lying, more deep-rooted problem?
...like what?
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...like what?
People who do not feel fully included in the society they live in.
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Accuse someone of xenophocia/RAAAYYSISSM and then demand silence. Take you long to think that one up?
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People who do not feel fully included in the society they live in.
There's plenty of Islamic terrorists in the Middle East who are native to that society who kill people wholesale in the name of Islam.

There's alot of other people who don't feel "included" in Europe, but rarely do these people commit mass murder.

But yes, I agree, young, unsatisfied people are easy recruiting.
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People who do not feel fully included in the society they live in.
That would include a fair portion of EFers, I think there is a little bit more to it than that.
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