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I would just call this provocation and not a clever one
What's the reason to call him the prophet? Does he claim to be?
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Old 09.12.2016, 16:41
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What's the reason to call him the prophet? Does he claim to be?
I thought he'd be happy to be called the sultan.
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Old 09.12.2016, 16:45
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I thought he'd be happy to be called the sultan.
Probably, and calling him that would be understandable. But why prophet? Did he make some kind of claim or prediction that Turkey would be a member by XYZ?
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Probably, and calling him that would be understandable. But why prophet? Did he make some kind of claim or prediction that Turkey would be a member by XYZ?
Don't know, he's so much demonised that I began to pity him.
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Old 09.12.2016, 23:40
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Sad story about the FCZ game in Ankara but there were additionally claims the team bus was deliberately delayed, the fans were also delayed and also badly treated by the stadium security.

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Old 09.12.2016, 23:51
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Sad story about the FCZ game in Ankara but there were additionally claims the team bus was deliberately delayed, the fans were also delayed and also badly treated by the stadium security.

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It is normal due to the history of football between turkey and Switzerland...Nother wonderful legacy of Blatter
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Looks like a couple of bombs have gone off at the Besiktas stadium. This today after Erdogan has been awarded more powers and taken another step towards the next Islamic dictatorship.
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Old 12.12.2016, 01:13
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Looks like a couple of bombs have gone off at the Besiktas stadium. This today after Erdogan has been awarded more powers and taken another step towards the next Islamic dictatorship.
Death toll now officially 38 with 166 wounded; wars on terror generally do not work. Erdogan needs to find a peaceful solution however embarrassing or the death toll will continue to rise.

Turkey announced a 250 billion lira fund – approximately $73 billion – in credit to the private sector to offset cash flow problems created by a weakened currency.
This was opposite to market expectations and caused the Lira to crash to 3.59 to the US$; now "recovered" to 3.51!
Also announced a delay to the planned minimum wage increase which may not be popular?
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

it is 41 people now

I understand a peaceful solution is required but it cannot come while the bombs still continue. Otherwise, you are giving a free ticket to any terrorist group to make attacks and take whatever they want.

This I mean for the both sides, I dont think it is logical to take the Kurdish representatives in prison either.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

You cannot do much against a group determined to hit you where it hurts much and which has no moral constraints; apparently they were aiming to have the suicide bomber detonate him/herself after the first bomb went off and people were rushing to the site to help victims..i.e., when substantially more casualties would be achieved.

Israel with so strict border controls can achieve better results but how do you identify PKK supporters from the rest of population in Turkey?

Trouble is not all countries see PKK as the terrorist group they actually are; they do not see them oppressing Kurds in Turkey/Europe to get financial support, they do not see them involved in arms & drugs trade. After the Iraq/Syria disasters, they are rather seen as a quick fix to remedy the mess West created in that region. Until PKK is cut off from that support, Turkey will have more bombings
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

local news now say the death toll has risen to 44 people; 36 police force and 8 civilians.

If you have seen the video footage of the second bomber, you would see that the death toll would have been much higher if he had managed to get to the first seen but he was stopped before he could do that.

This is not a guerrilla group fighting for kurdish rights, this is just an international drug cartel using kurds as a screen only.

The fact that they dont have a clearly stated objective shows this all. I mean what do they want; federal state? independence? which land? these are not clear at all.

have allok: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-20971100

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You cannot do much against a group determined to hit you where it hurts much and which has no moral constraints; apparently they were aiming to have the suicide bomber detonate him/herself after the first bomb went off and people were rushing to the site to help victims..i.e., when substantially more casualties would be achieved.

Israel with so strict border controls can achieve better results but how do you identify PKK supporters from the rest of population in Turkey?

Trouble is not all countries see PKK as the terrorist group they actually are; they do not see them oppressing Kurds in Turkey/Europe to get financial support, they do not see them involved in arms & drugs trade. After the Iraq/Syria disasters, they are rather seen as a quick fix to remedy the mess West created in that region. Until PKK is cut off from that support, Turkey will have more bombings
"how do you identify PKK supporters from the rest of population in Turkey?"
True that is the basic issue; bombing and shelling Kurdish cities in the SE does not target PKK supporters and risks creating more.

"The fact that they don't have a clearly stated objective shows this all."
The UK had the same problem with the IRA in N. Ireland and many more bombings than the PKK even though there are ten times as many Kurds in Turkey versus the population of N. Ireland.
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"how do you identify PKK supporters from the rest of population in Turkey?"
True that is the basic issue; bombing and shelling Kurdish cities in the SE does not target PKK supporters and risks creating more.

"The fact that they don't have a clearly stated objective shows this all."
The UK had the same problem with the IRA in N. Ireland and many more bombings than the PKK even though there are ten times as many Kurds in Turkey versus the population of N. Ireland.
Marton, what you are saying doesnt address my point actually.

Nevertheless, this is not 90s anymore. The current AKP government is an enemy of not only Kurds but for all opposition. If theKurds want to have more democratic lives, freedom of speech ,etc. then thats what the Turks want too but those rights will not be given only to part of the population it needs to be for all. This is where the Kurdish political parties fail. They want rights only for them and not for all.

However, if the Kurds want an independent state or Federalism; thats a different topic.

I believe the biggest mistake the Kurds did was to lose the sympathy of the Turks. They failed to address all their demands to the various governments but not to the people. Without the public sympathy and support I do not think any solution would ever be implemented. and when the terrorist attacks continue, such support will never come.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

http://rudaw.net/english/opinion/08042016

interesting read in here...especially the comments...

If most of the Kurds think like this, then there wont be a peace for a very very long time and there will be many many more thousands death along the way.
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Trouble is not all countries see PKK as the terrorist group they actually are; they do not see them oppressing Kurds in Turkey/Europe to get financial support, they do not see them involved in arms & drugs trade. After the Iraq/Syria disasters, they are rather seen as a quick fix to remedy the mess West created in that region. Until PKK is cut off from that support, Turkey will have more bombings
We see PKK and the whole problem there as we are taught to see it, Western media is doing a very good job as always.
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We see PKK and the whole problem there as we are taught to see it, Western media is doing a very good job as always.
The PKK are scum terrorists. A Kurdistan needs to be created out of Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Iran. But with the PKK nowhere near the leadership.
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The PKK are scum terrorists. A Kurdistan needs to be created out of Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Iran. But with the PKK nowhere near the leadership.
Do you mean with lands taken out of those 4 countries?
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Do you mean with lands taken out of those 4 countries?
Yes.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

That is very ambitious actually.

Iraq and Syria are relatively easier maybe but taking land from countries like Iran and Turkey is an impossible task if you ask me.

Maybe a more realistic target can bring more likely achievements for the Kurdish and peace to the region.
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That is very ambitious actually.

Iraq and Syria are relatively easier maybe but taking land from countries like Iran and Turkey is an impossible task if you ask me.

Maybe a more realistic target can bring more likely achievements for the Kurdish and peace to the region.
It's the only target to bring peace to the region. However I agree, it will never happen.
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