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Old 14.12.2016, 08:05
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He's an Ottoman, and never had any interest in joining the EU.
he is just an opportunist and egoist; under different circumstances he can be a rabbi/priest/..
most of the time he criticizes Israel saying he+his party will never side with the devils since it plays well into his supporter base but if he is forced to come to terms with it, he argues "business/money has no religion".... and his supporters keep applauding him
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I am with greenmount on that one, let's work together to bring the economy,democracy ,human rights and freedom of speech in Turkey to a modern level first. Then, let's ask the question again what the people of Turkey want.
I'm not convinced democracy stands a chance unless a certain standard of living for the majority, as well as literacy, has been reached.
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He's an Ottoman, and never had any interest in joining the EU.
He's betting on Turkish nationalism, that's all.
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“In 1914 our land covered 2.5 million square kilometres, nine years later it fell to 780,000 square kilometres.”
But he also knows that people are not stupid and they (vaguely) know that a potential accession to EU could bring some advantages, so this is not completely erased from his agenda but he would like it to happen on his (&co) terms.
Erdogan is just another (nationalistic) dictator trying to play in the top league. He'd love to replicate Putin's power...
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"they are willing to die for a piece of land ....." I assume this only applies to a small minority? The other Kurds die because they happen to live in places that Erdogan bombs or shells?
Let's be clear, he would kill anyone who stands on his way. Don't you remember Gezi.

If you are referring to Cizre and Sur, That's was a stupid move on PKK to move the fight cities like that. I mean ,what was the objective really.
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Old 14.12.2016, 09:18
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There will never be peace in the region. But some peace is better than no peace. And Nil is right, this can only happen if Kurdistan is created.
That is another way of saying the fight and killing shall continue till the end.

I am sorry, I like to believe we are and should be more civil than that.
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Old 14.12.2016, 09:21
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I'm not convinced democracy stands a chance unless a certain standard of living for the majority, as well as literacy, has been reached.
Exactly, that is why Turkey should focus on those first.

The Kurds of Turkey are not Catalans. I think the arguments and discussions will be different when they reach to that level.
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he clearly stated in the past that democracy was just a means to the end.
similarly eu accession talks were the means to get the secular base/military out of his path.

today a Turkish columnist in Hurriyet is arguing that there is a certain group with close links to Erdogan who wants to 1) bring death penalty, 2) derail EU accession talks indirectly thru 1) but on EU's initiation, 3) let the economy suffer so that pro western companies/investors would be forced to pull out leaving their place to pro AKP companies and 4) get the presidency after which they will focus on the crucial issues of Kurds, pkk, economy and get them solved during presidency hence gaining further credibility.
Sounds like a believable AKP plan but No. 3 is unlikely to bring success since no Emerging Market country has been successful without substantial foreign investment; they just fall into a spiral of failing currency and massive inflation.
Turkey announced a 250 billion lira fund – approximately $73 billion – in credit to the private sector to offset cash flow problems created by a weakened currency; could be a first step in this plan.
This was opposite to market expectations and caused the Lira to crash to a record 3.59 to the US$; now "recovered" to 3.49!
I am sure the plan has passionate supporters who believe they will succeed.

No. 4 is just wishful thinking, if they had good solutions they could implement them now to help "sell" the presidency idea.
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Old 14.12.2016, 10:50
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Sounds like a believable AKP plan but No. 3 is unlikely to bring success since no Emerging Market country has been successful without substantial foreign investment; they just fall into a spiral of failing currency and massive inflation.
Turkey announced a 250 billion lira fund – approximately $73 billion – in credit to the private sector to offset cash flow problems created by a weakened currency; could be a first step in this plan.
This was opposite to market expectations and caused the Lira to crash to a record 3.59 to the US$; now "recovered" to 3.49!
I am sure the plan has passionate supporters who believe they will succeed.

No. 4 is just wishful thinking, if they had good solutions they could implement them now to help "sell" the presidency idea.
I think one crucial step in this plan is also the fixing the currency rates to avoid fluctuations. at least that's what I read from AKP media.

The overall plan can only fail as an isolation policy has no place in today's economic world. The Turkish economy today is so much integrated into EU and other global players.

What all dictators always fail to see is that they think whatever they do today cannot be reversed. Tomorrow, Erdogan will be gone and most of his wrong doings will be fixed. Even if he brings presidency, it will take only one election to bring the parliamentary system back.
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I think one crucial step in this plan is also the fixing the currency rates to avoid fluctuations. at least that's what I read from AKP media.

The overall plan can only fail as an isolation policy has no place in today's economic world. The Turkish economy today is so much integrated into EU and other global players.

What all dictators always fail to see is that they think whatever they do today cannot be reversed. Tomorrow, Erdogan will be gone and most of his wrong doings will be fixed. Even if he brings presidency, it will take only one election to bring the parliamentary system back.
"one crucial step in this plan is also the fixing the currency rates to avoid fluctuations" Problem they will have is that to achieve this they will have to take actions that Erdogan fundamentally disagrees with;
  • Higher interest rates
  • Encouraging foreign investment
  • Foreign exchange market intervention

Unemployment is also high around 10% and higher amongst young people (30%). Low skills are a key barrier to achieving better labour market outcomes for youth in Turkey: nearly 1 in 5 young people in Turkey are low skilled – compared to around 1 in 20 in OECD countries.

Erdogan seems to be discouraging secular schools and encouraging religious schools which does not help unemployment?
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"one crucial step in this plan is also the fixing the currency rates to avoid fluctuations" Problem they will have is that to achieve this they will have to take actions that Erdogan fundamentally disagrees with;
  • Higher interest rates
  • Encouraging foreign investment
  • Foreign exchange market intervention

Unemployment is also high around 10% and higher amongst young people (30%). Low skills are a key barrier to achieving better labour market outcomes for youth in Turkey: nearly 1 in 5 young people in Turkey are low skilled – compared to around 1 in 20 in OECD countries.

Erdogan seems to be discouraging secular schools and encouraging religious schools which does not help unemployment?
it doesnt matter how stupid his objective is, people will believe it. Soon They experince what a "weltschmerz" is
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

can he shut up only for one day..for the love of God...

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pre...&NewsCatID=338

Now, he is declaring "national mobilization" against Terrorist groups.
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can he shut up only for one day..for the love of God...

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pre...&NewsCatID=338

Now, he is declaring "national mobilization" against Terrorist groups.
How to start a civil war¨

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Turkey’s 2015 GDP per capita has increased from $9,130 to 11,014 after the Turkish Statistics Institute (TÜİK) revised how it calculated the figure.

Around 80 million Turks got a nearly 20 percent boost to their average standard of living on Dec. 12 – on paper at least.
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He who counts the numbers!!

Economy improved already!
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Even if he brings presidency, it will take only one election to bring the parliamentary system back.
That's perhaps possible but that doesn't mean it will happen.

Those at the top are power-hungry, and being president (the kind Erdogan is steering towards) is the ultimate reward. Nobody who's been part of the system long enough to arrive at the top by legal means is able to let go when they finally get their hands on it.
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That's perhaps possible but that doesn't mean it will happen.

Those at the top are power-hungry, and being president (the kind Erdogan is steering towards) is the ultimate reward. Nobody who's been part of the system long enough to arrive at the top by legal means is able to let go when they finally get their hands on it.
please don't take away the only hope I have
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How to start a civil war¨

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He who counts the numbers!!

Economy improved already!
they are also working on the composition of inflation index.. so things will look rosy(ier) in the inflation side too
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please don't take away the only hope I have
I'm just the messenger. Otherwise I'm not doing anything :/
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now a mobilization
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pre...&NewsCatID=338
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Isn't the gestapo who has done just that?
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they are also working on the composition of inflation index.. so things will look rosy(ier) in the inflation side too
Hallelujah for rosier
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he is just an opportunist and egoist; under different circumstances he can be a rabbi/priest/..
most of the time he criticizes Israel saying he+his party will never side with the devils since it plays well into his supporter base but if he is forced to come to terms with it, he argues "business/money has no religion".... and his supporters keep applauding him
He reminds me of Trump!
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