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Old 12.03.2017, 19:57
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Dream on (sadly)
Actually if they're really smart they vote yes - create an asylum-reason - and run off to Europe!
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Old 13.03.2017, 08:57
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Germany lets in a million migrants from muslim lands last year, and now Turks and their muslim friends are out protesting in the streets calling Merkel and co. islamophobic nazis because they won't let them have political rallies.

I don't know if I have enough pop-corn for this


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/12/eu...ions-increase/
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Old 13.03.2017, 09:38
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Around 125,000 people have been expelled from State health insurance and pension schemes without any good reason given and the depth of your compassion is to write "life goes on in Turkey"
Same people who seeked the resolution in illegitimate organizations and got those rights unrightfully..so yeah, life goes on as what goes around comes around
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Germany lets in a million migrants from muslim lands last year, and now Turks and their muslim friends are out protesting in the streets calling Merkel and co. islamophobic nazis because they won't let them have political rallies.

I don't know if I have enough pop-corn for this


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/12/eu...ions-increase/
I am sorry but when the Turkish liberals warned Europe on thier big support for Erdogan, they turned their backs...now shit hits the fan and everybody is crazy...

My only problem with this is the generalization of some idiocracies for everyone from that place.
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Same people who seeked the resolution in illegitimate organizations and got those rights unrightfully..so yeah, life goes on as what goes around comes around
Alleged membership of illegitimate organizations; there was no proper process of law to determine guilt or to allow people to present a defence or even be told exactly what crime they had committed.

In principle, no different from Stalinist purges, they grew from his paranoia and his desire to be absolute autocrat. In 1938–39, all the admirals and half the Army’s officers were executed or imprisoned.

To assure themselves of an endless supply of "traitors” the Russian interrogators concentrated on two questions: "Who recruited you?" and "Who did you recruit?" The "confessions" often doomed casual acquaintances, friends, and even family.
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I am sorry but when the Turkish liberals warned Europe on thier big support for Erdogan, they turned their backs...now shit hits the fan and everybody is crazy...
But the liberal EU welcomes everyone and allows support for all political opinions. Isn't blocking pro-Erdogan rallies going against that? You can't block political rallies just because you disagree with the political position of it. That would be...fascism!

Germany has allowed a large Turkish minority to grow inside their country, but nobody has actually mobilized them ... until now. Need more popcorn....

PS- Large Turkish rallies inside EU countries would also signal failed integration, but that's a topic for another thread I guess...
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Alleged membership of illegitimate organizations; there was no proper process of law to determine guilt or to allow people to present a defence or even be told exactly what crime they had committed.

In principle, no different from Stalinist purges, they grew from his paranoia and his desire to be absolute autocrat. In 1938–39, all the admirals and half the Army’s officers were executed or imprisoned.

To assure themselves of an endless supply of "traitors” the Russian interrogators concentrated on two questions: "Who recruited you?" and "Who did you recruit?" The "confessions" often doomed casual acquaintances, friends, and even family.
for sure there were some undeserved dismissals but majority of them were part of that group and AKP knew them very well as they were the ones who put them there in the first place.

yes, Erdogan is now following a stalin type traitor search but the initial dismissals were different. Therefore, we should not see that as a whole.
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Old 13.03.2017, 10:02
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But the liberal EU welcomes everyone and allows support for all political opinions. Isn't blocking pro-Erdogan rallies going against that?

Germany has allowed a large Turkish minority to grow inside their country, but nobody has actually mobilized them ... until now. Need more popcorn....
Turkey has 3 million Syrians in the country. When Erdogan let's Asad to make rallies in Turkey, then he will have the right to demand the same from Europe.

It is really stupid to block all opposition in the country and then expect a different behavior from others.

That being said, prior to these events, Erdogan's campaign was lacking momentum and was behind in each every poll. The opposition party in Turkey was very peaceful and did not attack which blocked his need to have an enemy all the time. There were a great amount of undecided people.

Thanks to Europe, this is gone now. Now he has his traction he needed desperately. They let him make rallies before, what is the problem now? The act of Europe is only helping him.
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Old 13.03.2017, 10:18
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

http://www.blick.ch/news/ausland/isv...id6359377.html

I know blick is the worst of sources but what you will see is that an European paper calling for a no vote in the referendum. Who do you think this will help to?
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With you not posting your source I had to google it all myself.

I'm pretty impressed with the European governements about this. Not seen so much back-bone for a while.

I just wonder, maybe we should travel to Turkey and demonstrate against the referendum? Erdogan & Co. would receive us with open arms, I suspect?
Negative. An uni lecturer from back home was arrested in Turkey just for being on an e-mail list of his Turkish colleagues who took part in some protests (they were all arrested en masse), of course they let him free after 2 days but anyway...if a "visit" to a Turkish prison sounds like an adventure then...

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Old 14.03.2017, 00:20
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Negative. An uni lecturer from back home was arrested in Turkey just for being on an e-mail list of his Turkish colleagues who took part in some protests (they were all arrested en masse), of course they let him free after 2 days but anyway...if a "visit" to a Turkish prison sounds like an adventure then...
One of those countries better to avoid if you are not 100% certain that none of your virtual world contacts are personna non grata with the authorities.
Probably also wise to avoid flight changes in Istanbul
Especially if you are Dutch, German or Austrian.....
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Old 14.03.2017, 01:09
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One of those countries better to avoid if you are not 100% certain that none of your virtual world contacts are personna non grata with the authorities.
Probably also wise to avoid flight changes in Istanbul
Especially if you are Dutch, German or Austrian.....
When I think of all the Kurds in my life I better not even go to Zurich anymore
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One of those countries better to avoid if you are not 100% certain that none of your virtual world contacts are personna non grata with the authorities.
Probably also wise to avoid flight changes in Istanbul
Especially if you are Dutch, German or Austrian.....
It is kind of sad what's happening. I don't know how far they go with paranoia, in the case I mentioned the guy was teaching at the same uni as those poor Turkish profs. Sad. The same old Stalinist approaches - destroy the elites or make them run out of the country.
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One of those countries better to avoid if you are not 100% certain that none of your virtual world contacts are personna non grata with the authorities.
Probably also wise to avoid flight changes in Istanbul
Especially if you are Dutch, German or Austrian.....
well, then I must apologies to all of you in advance
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The Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, has held the Netherlands responsible for the worst mass killing in Europe since the second world war as the row over Turkish ministers addressing pro-Erdoğan rallies in the country deepened.

In a speech televised live on Tuesday, Erdoğan said: “We know the Netherlands and the Dutch from the Srebrenica massacre. We know how rotten their character is from their massacre of 8,000 Bosnians there.”
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He really is scraping the bottom of the barrel

Surely he was the guy trying to avoid Turkey being blamed for the Armenian massacre which has much better foundations than this claim.
I mean that the former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadžić was found guilty of genocide over the Srebrenica massacre by the UN tribunal in March 2016 and sentenced to 40 years in jail and he was not Dutch!
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He really is scraping the bottom of the barrel

Surely he was the guy trying to avoid Turkey being blamed for the Armenian massacre which has much better foundations than this claim.
I mean that the former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadžić was found guilty of genocide over the Srebrenica massacre by the UN tribunal in March 2016 and sentenced to 40 years in jail and he was not Dutch!
Ah, for god sake..enough with this bullshit nonsense and embarassment already...where will he stop....
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Ah, for god sake..enough with this bullshit nonsense and embarassment already...where will he stop....
He won't. People like him never do.
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He really needs to stop.
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Old 14.03.2017, 20:42
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

I had thought the Erdogan President election result was a foregone conclusion based on the Joseph Stalin quote
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The people who cast the votes decide nothing.
The people who count the votes decide everything.
But reading various reports it seems that only 40% support the new Presidential style "democracy"!
Can this really be true?

Maybe there is hope?
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He really is scraping the bottom of the barrel

Surely he was the guy trying to avoid Turkey being blamed for the Armenian massacre which has much better foundations than this claim.
I mean that the former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadžić was found guilty of genocide over the Srebrenica massacre by the UN tribunal in March 2016 and sentenced to 40 years in jail and he was not Dutch!
I believe his point was that the dutch peacekeepers allowed it to happen.

The man is quite clearly off his rocker. His actions are that of a desperate despot who knows it is the last throw of his dice. If he loses, it will be a signal that the turkish people are fed up of him. Hopefully, that is exactly what happens - an emphatic defeat followed by elections (of some sort, anyway).

Dont forget, the Dutch have somewhat accepted responsibility for Srebrenica:

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In any case, it is a cheap and classless shot for the buffoon to takem and with very high potential for it to backfire.

On the other hand, if he wins, i feel sorry for the turks who will be trampled underfoot.

I cant help but look at him and think he is the anatolian Putin. A lot of his rhetoric is similar to Trumps too.

Trump, Putin and Erdogan - three sides of the very same triangle.

Thomas De Maizere has it spot on, i think:

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Competition of Provocations - that is exactly what it is.
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