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I had thought the Erdogan President election result was a foregone conclusion based on the Joseph Stalin quote


But reading various reports it seems that only 40% support the new Presidential style "democracy"!
Can this really be true?

Maybe there is hope?
I think it could well be, as that would explain why he is picking such a ridiculous fight with the EU. If he was sitting pretty on 60%, he wouldn't be so provocative - the votes of the Turkish diaspora simply wouldn't be necessary.

He's seeking to bolster his lackluster home performance with the diaspora - but its a big gamble to make. He's basically going all in, knowing that its the only real move he has left.
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It is kind of sad what's happening. I don't know how far they go with paranoia, in the case I mentioned the guy was teaching at the same uni as those poor Turkish profs. Sad. The same old Stalinist approaches - destroy the elites or make them run out of the country.
Don't forget, paranoia has won elections and referendums the world over. If used properly, it is a very effective political tool.
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Old 15.03.2017, 13:52
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I believe his point was that the dutch peacekeepers allowed it to happen.

The man is quite clearly off his rocker. His actions are that of a desperate despot who knows it is the last throw of his dice. If he loses, it will be a signal that the turkish people are fed up of him. Hopefully, that is exactly what happens - an emphatic defeat followed by elections (of some sort, anyway).

Dont forget, the Dutch have somewhat accepted responsibility for Srebrenica:



In any case, it is a cheap and classless shot for the buffoon to takem and with very high potential for it to backfire.

On the other hand, if he wins, i feel sorry for the turks who will be trampled underfoot.

I cant help but look at him and think he is the anatolian Putin. A lot of his rhetoric is similar to Trumps too.

Trump, Putin and Erdogan - three sides of the very same triangle.

Thomas De Maizere has it spot on, i think:



Competition of Provocations - that is exactly what it is.
The Dutch Govt accepted "partial political responsibility" for the massacre and resigned in 2002.
The Serbian President apologised in April 2013.
Russia vetoed the UN describing this as a massacre!

Turkey has never accepted any responsibility for the Armenian massacre
Pot, kettle, black!
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Old 15.03.2017, 14:42
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Erdoagan is doign what he is good at - creating provocations and presenting himself as a Turkish hero. Looking at the Turkish army performance recently and his popularity, one wonders whether Obama was aware just how accurate he was when he said Turkey should be a model for democracy in the Muslim world.
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The Dutch Govt accepted "partial political responsibility" for the massacre and resigned in 2002.
The Serbian President apologised in April 2013.
Russia vetoed the UN describing this as a massacre!

Turkey has never accepted any responsibility for the Armenian massacre
Pot, kettle, black!
I dont think that relevant - this is not a dispute of the facts but a dispute of personalities.

The Armenian genocide is not directly linked, and to be honest, this little spat between turkey and NL is entirely unrelated to the Srebrenica massacre too. But his intention was never an honest comparison, his intention was to inflame emotions and provoke responses.

The only way he wins this referendum is if turks take leave of all their sense and vote based purely on emotion. And while that sounds foolish, recall that this method has won elections and referendums in the US and Europe already.
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Erdoagan is doign what he is good at - creating provocations and presenting himself as a Turkish hero. Looking at the Turkish army performance recently and his popularity, one wonders whether Obama was aware just how accurate he was when he said Turkey should be a model for democracy in the Muslim world.
It was only a matter of time before you bought the wider muslim world into this, i suppose. Surprised it took you this long, to be honest.

Obama made that statement when Turkey was heading in a very different direction, courtesy of a different president, who wasnt trying to create a despotic state. Bit cheap to claim things are exactly the same 7 years on. Id take Gul over erdogan any day.
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Old 15.03.2017, 15:09
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It was only a matter of time before you bought the wider muslim world into this, i suppose. Surprised it took you this long, to be honest.

Obama made that statement when Turkey was heading in a very different direction, courtesy of a different president, who wasnt trying to create a despotic state. Bit cheap to claim things are exactly the same 7 years on. Id take Gul over erdogan any day.
Erdogan was Turkish PM in 2009, Gul is erdogan's medvedev.

Ergodan's bully behaviour didn't change much - he just grew bolder when his provocations went unanswered. Notable exception - Putin put him in his place very quickly. takes one to know one.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

And now for something completely different:


Türkei weist niederländische Kühe aus


Turkey is evicting Dutch cows.......
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

"If I make an exception for them, I'll have to make an exception for everybody in the end".
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Old 15.03.2017, 19:06
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Erdoagan is doign what he is good at - creating provocations and presenting himself as a Turkish hero. Looking at the Turkish army performance recently and his popularity, one wonders whether Obama was aware just how accurate he was when he said Turkey should be a model for democracy in the Muslim world.
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Obama made that statement when Turkey was heading in a very different direction, courtesy of a different president, who wasnt trying to create a despotic state. Bit cheap to claim things are exactly the same 7 years on. Id take Gul over erdogan any day.
Indeed a very strange remark by Pashosh. It could almost have been one by Erdogan?
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And now for something completely different:


Türkei weist niederländische Kühe aus


Turkey is evicting Dutch cows.......
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Turkey sends Dutch cows back to Holland!

Erdogan is sending them all back to Holland! These suffering cows!
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Link in English here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-Holland.html
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Indeed a very strange remark by Pashosh. It could almost have been one by Erdogan?
I'll be glad to explain any part you didn't understand
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Meanwhile, in Turkey:

"when you look at the many parties you see there is no difference between the social democrats and fascist Wilders"



Dutch elections: Turkish minister claims 'holy wars will soon begin in Europe' after Geert Wilders beaten
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

From his perspective, he is not totaly wrong - Muslims are facing antagonism in Europe.

Erdoagan's policies are not helping.
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Meanwhile, in Turkey:

"when you look at the many parties you see there is no difference between the social democrats and fascist Wilders"



Dutch elections: Turkish minister claims 'holy wars will soon begin in Europe' after Geert Wilders beaten


Not even that he can get right.................
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From his perspective, he is not totaly wrong - Muslims are facing antagonism in Europe.

Erdoagan's policies are not helping.
Same as Christians are facing antagonism in Turkey.


But then he is pretty well antagonising anyone in Europe now
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Same as Christians are facing antagonism in Turkey.


But then he is pretty well antagonising anyone in Europe now
Thankfully, the west's current treatment of minorities is better than anywhere else.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Erdogan just confirms what we've known for a long time. No need to fight the west, only out breed them.

Erdogan calls on Turkish families in Europe to have five children to protect against 'injustices'
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