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Old 19.03.2017, 09:00
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Erdogan has a point : why is the PKK allowed a mass gathering, and the Turkish government isn't?
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Old 19.03.2017, 09:02
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Erdogan has a point : why is the PKK allowed a mass gathering, and the Turkish government isn't?
Because that is a demonstration and not an election campaign? Different things.
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Old 19.03.2017, 13:16
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Erdogan has a point : why is the PKK allowed a mass gathering, and the Turkish government isn't?
It's not the demonstrating, it's the politcians wanting to campaign on foreign grounds.
If Öcalan or one of his team wanted to come over to lead on this demo he/they would be rejected too.
Apples/oranges?
(as apples/pears don't work anymore, according to JW )
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Erdogan has a point : why is the PKK allowed a mass gathering, and the Turkish government isn't?
The PKK are just as dangerous as Erdogan.
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Old 29.03.2017, 17:53
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

So the Turks abroad are now voting. Is there really anybody who believes, this is gonna be held correctly, the no votes will actually arrive in the vote count?

Some info on ongling schemes by Tages-Anzeiger (German)
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Old 30.03.2017, 09:07
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So the Turks abroad are now voting. Is there really anybody who believes, this is gonna be held correctly, the no votes will actually arrive in the vote count?

Some info on ongling schemes by Tages-Anzeiger (German)
Yes, I do..in a world where the USA elections are questioned, yes i do believe the voting will be as fair as theirs.
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Old 02.04.2017, 10:59
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

S. is a big business man in the Kebab business in Switzerland and is the president of a Turkish lobbying association.
He is said to have spied on his countrymen at the University of Zurich.
He took photos of the audience at a meeting that was critical of Erdogan and sent them to the Govt. in Turkey.
He is currently under Swiss investigation and could face up to three years in jail

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Old 03.04.2017, 21:03
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım have strongly reacted to the main opposition leader’s, Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, claims that the July 15, 2016, coup attempt occurred within the knowledge of the government and was therefore a “controlled coup,” accusing the opposition leader of insulting the Turkish people after 250 were killed on the night of the putsch.

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He said adding up to 180 people within the government of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had been employing an encrypted messaging application, called ByLock, for plotting the coup, and that the country’s secret service had a list of these people.

“These ByLock users should be revealed. If this list is going to be kept secret, then it indicates that July 15 was a controlled coup. [Meaning that] they (the authorities) had information about the coup in advance,”
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Old 03.04.2017, 21:25
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President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım have strongly reacted to the main opposition leader’s, Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, claims that the July 15, 2016, coup attempt occurred within the knowledge of the government and was therefore a “controlled coup,” accusing the opposition leader of insulting the Turkish people after 250 were killed on the night of the putsch.

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He said adding up to 180 people within the government of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had been employing an encrypted messaging application, called ByLock, for plotting the coup, and that the country’s secret service had a list of these people.

“These ByLock users should be revealed. If this list is going to be kept secret, then it indicates that July 15 was a controlled coup. [Meaning that] they (the authorities) had information about the coup in advance,”
This guy is really an idiot...all he needs to do is shut up and let the NO win...but he has to talk and attack..the more he attacks the more Erdogan finds a way out as he controls all the media
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Old 03.04.2017, 21:39
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So the Turks abroad are now voting. Is there really anybody who believes, this is gonna be held correctly, the no votes will actually arrive in the vote count?

Some info on ongling schemes by Tages-Anzeiger (German)
I don't like Blick, and I don't really trust them, but if that's true.. (also in German)

http://www.blick.ch/incoming/hundert...id6465513.html

Apparently, they couldn't find the names on the voting list of many voters that wanted to vote "No", while zero reports from missing names from the "Yes" group was reported. Considering the amount of spying the Turkish potentate did on "his" Turkish fellows in Switzerland, that's hardly surprising.

"«Ich weiss von 30 Leuten, die immer hier abgestimmt haben. Auf einmal geht das nicht mehr, weil die Namen nicht gefunden werden. Dafür gibt es einen Grund ...»"

Translation: I know from 30 people who always voted here. Suddenly their names couldn't be found anymore (on the voting list). There is a reason for it..

I'd say that in Turkey, the situation won't be better than that. Unless the "No" camp gets a serious majority, apparently Sultan Erdogan will make sure he's getting his "Yes" by using methods that are anything but democratic. After all, he re-started the war against the Kurds just to win the last election too..
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Old 03.04.2017, 21:43
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

We voted last week without a problem. Our friends have not reported a problem either. Hope what you told is an individual incident
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Old 16.04.2017, 10:27
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Thinking of Turkey today.
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Old 16.04.2017, 12:49
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Thinking of Turkey today.
Somehow reminds me of Turkeys voting for Christmas
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Old 16.04.2017, 13:10
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

I count on bravery not to be the lost treasure it often appears to be.
And if enough people work up the necessary courage I shall not take it for granted.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Unbelievable situation!!

Yes 51%, No 49%.
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Old 16.04.2017, 19:28
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Yes 51%, No 49%.
Source? This must be an interim result, no?
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Old 16.04.2017, 19:28
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Unbelievable situation!!

Yes 51%, No 49%.
Looks like a win will be declared for Erdogan despite the discrepancies!
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State-run Anadolu Agency numbers show 99% of ballot boxes opened.
The Supreme Election Committee official number is 65% opened.
Main opposition CHP deputy leader alleges manipulation in state-run Anadolu Agency's reporting on votes in Istanbul

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Old 16.04.2017, 19:28
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Unbelievable situation!!

Yes 51%, No 49%.
That's also what sane people said about Brexit.

I've got a guy at work who will be giving up his Turkish nationality on the result of this vote.
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Old 16.04.2017, 19:34
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

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Somehow reminds me of Turkeys voting for Christmas
Not quite Marton, to quote Clinton's campaign slogan from the 90's ... 'Its the economy, stupid'.
Thats one thing Erdogan has delivered on (jobs, schools, tourism, hospitals, infrastructure etc..) and people will ultimately vote depending on whoever promises them continued jobs and prosperity even if they are an undemocratic tyrant. Romance and high brow principles go out the window when faced with these stark realities.
I was listening to one Turkish voter on the radio who basically said, why should I take a gamble on an unexperienced alternative who could mess everything up and take us back 20 years?
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That's also what sane people said about Brexit.

I've got a guy at work who will be giving up his Turkish nationality on the result of this vote.
Voting to leave the EU is a little different from voting to install the next Islamic dictator in the region.
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