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Old 17.04.2017, 09:32
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

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*Turkey Election Board Head Sadi Guven:


At least other fraudsters work on their cover/disguise properly.
Here they openly commit vote fraud but do not bother to disquise it.
Forgive a cynic. It's the big lies that win in politics.
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Well, if people democratically vote to give up democracy I guess it's .... democracy.
Well this referendum was more about presidential system than democracy.

One could argue Turkey didn't have much of a democracy with this system or even back then before him.

Turkey at the moment has a Prime Minister and a President.

Presidential office was largely symbolic like Germany for instance.

Now office of PM will be abolished and there'll be a strong presidency like US or France.

But it's not so simple.

Changes will be implemented by 2019 and there'll be an election.

So if it all goes his way he'll be the first President.

In Turkish he is called "Cumhurbaşkanı" which means president(başkan) of the people(cumhur). After that he'll only be called president(başkan).

Maybe we'll call him "Chancellor"
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Forgive a cynic. It's the big lies that win in politics.
Now it will be interesting to witness the rapid improvement in EU-Turkey relations; both sides acting as if nothing happened last few weeks
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Maybe we'll call him "Chancellor"
I think he'll settle only for "Sultan"..


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Well, if people democratically vote to give up democracy I guess it's .... democracy.

I think Erdogan exercises the same attraction to Turkish people as (the Tzar) Putin does for his Russian compatriots. Nothing really surprising here - the desire for a strong, "patriotic" leader who will put their country back on the map where it belongs (in terms of international "respect", recognition and influence). It's a discourse that had won many elections even in the Western world.

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Old 17.04.2017, 12:33
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Let's see how democratic this referendum actually was. International observers will release their verdict today.
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Yes, if the elections would have been fair, in an open environment, with all sides having (about) the same chance to speak out.. and not Erdo & his thugs basically dominating the medias like they are already a dictatorship, THEN people might say so.

But if using massive fraud, massive propaganda, and pretty much whatever tool you had to get more "Yes" votes you're just getting 51%, then it's VERY clear to me that a MASSIVE majority said NO to Dictator Erdogan. Their votes just didn't count...

US elections often have that little "smell" on their side - this one stinks like a trashbag that has been left to rot for several weeks in the hot summer sun of Antalya..
The fraud will not change anything anymore though, that's the point.
When I said the following on March 29th:

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So the Turks abroad are now voting. Is there really anybody who believes, this is gonna be held correctly, the no votes will actually arrive in the vote count?

Some info on ongling schemes by Tages-Anzeiger (German)
... I was told:
<<Yes, I do..in a world where the USA elections are questioned, yes i do believe the voting will be as fair as theirs. >> by DarkBlue who seems to be Turkish? He/she was right I guess .... it was as fair as theirs only less professionally covered up?

However, I doubt very much anything can be changed now. The whole thing was a scam and Erdoğan never really pretended otherwise, did he?
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Meanwhile from Newsthump

http://newsthump.com/2017/04/17/turk...for-christmas/
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

OECD issued their statement on their observation of the Referendum today

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The 16 April constitutional referendum took place on an unlevel playing field and the two sides of the campaign did not have equal opportunities.
Voters were not provided with impartial information about key aspects of the reform.
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The campaign framework was restrictive, and the campaign imbalanced due to the active involvement of the president and several leading national officials as well as many local public officials in the ‘Yes’ campaign
There is a lot more but I guess it does not help now
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

The head of the Eurasia Opinion Research Center (AKAM), Kemal Özkiraz, has announced that he will close his survey company following its failure to accurately predict the April 16 constitutional referendum results.

Before the vote, Özkiraz had said he would close the company if the “yes” side won, adding that his surveys indicated the “no” side would win 53 percent of the vote.

I knew [the results] but there is no logic in making a survey if they are able to convert 2.5 million votes.
If the results are true and if we failed to predict it, there is no sense in doing polls either,” he stated.

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OECD issued their statement on their observation of the Referendum today

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There is a lot more but I guess it does not help now
Where was OECD when the referendum in UK took place?
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Where was OECD when the referendum in UK took place?
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Old 17.04.2017, 19:39
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Of course, nobody knows if these statistics are correct!
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

If I were interested in twitter news I'd join it
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If you're interested in news full stop, then I suggest you join.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

"He also said the country could hold a referendum on its long-stalled EU membership bid."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39622335

Don't bother. We know you're not getting in.
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"He also said the country could hold a referendum on its long-stalled EU membership bid."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39622335

Don't bother. We know you're not getting in.
I believe this will be the only positive outcome.

Accessions talks were literally a joke.

Visa-free travel was not gonna happen even though Turkey fullfilled every criteria.

Hell even Serbia has visa-free travel which is a bit better than Russia

So this is a good thing.

Both parties should follow their separate paths.
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I believe this will be the only positive outcome.

Accessions talks were literally a joke.

Visa-free travel was not gonna happen even though Turkey fullfilled every criteria.

Hell even Serbia has visa-free travel which is a bit better than Russia

So this is a good thing.

Both parties should follow their separate paths.
Serbia plus all the Western Balkan countries. Since 2009 (if I recall correctly).
Not so sure about Kosovo though.
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I believe this will be the only positive outcome.

Accessions talks were literally a joke.

Visa-free travel was not gonna happen even though Turkey fullfilled every criteria.

Hell even Serbia has visa-free travel which is a bit better than Russia

So this is a good thing.

Both parties should follow their separate paths.
"Visa-free travel was not gonna happen even though Turkey fullfilled every criteria." Actually Turkey fulfills only 66 of 72 benchmarks for visa-free travel to Europe
Two of the failures were major;
1. Claiming people like opposition MPs and journalists are terrorists and then locking them up without trial or evidence.
2. Failing to act against corruption.

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"Visa-free travel was not gonna happen even though Turkey fullfilled every criteria." Actually Turkey fulfills only 66 of 72 benchmarks for visa-free travel to Europe
Two of the failures were major;
1. Claiming people like opposition MPs and journalists are terrorists and then locking them up without trial or evidence.
2. Failing to act against corruption.

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As I've said it wouldn't happen even though Turkey implemented those too.

It would need approval of every member which is never gonna happen.

BTW EU waivered visa-free travel to many countries in South America and other countries which are corrupt

That criteria made me laugh

Also can you give the link of this page?
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