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View Poll Results: What should the Swiss government do in your opinion?
They should go ahead with introducing permit applications and quotas for EEA citizens 31 34.83%
They should introduce very high quotas for EEA nationals that in practice won't have any impact 15 16.85%
They should call for a new referendum on the EU-Swiss relationsip as a whole 19 21.35%
They should ignore 2014's referendum and not do anything 8 8.99%
I don't care, I got my C-permit or citizenship 16 17.98%
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Old 07.01.2019, 18:03
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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

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Judging by the miraculously high proportion of foreigners in this country, I would say that magic Tell DNA in your blood has diluted itself considerably....
Nonsense.
Tell had no problems with foreigners - he just refused to greet their clothes on sticks.
Most of us still don't (neither).
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The Swiss (who believe in the 'magic' of homeopathy) would then believe that the more diluted it was, the stronger the influence of the Willaim Tell magic...
Sorry, couldn't resist...I just love these nationalistic theories.
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EU Parliament elections in May. Looking forward to how the EU reacts when their parliament is chock-full of populists.
What % do you expect those populist to get in the next EU parliament?
Of course it will look ugly if they get 25%+, but only if they get 1/3 of the votes will it start being an issue for the EU.
Do you really expect them to get 234 of the 701 seats?

If not, I don't see how this is relevant at all in this thread.
The EU will still demand from Switzerland to apply the agreed framework or be found in contempt and pay the consequences.
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Old 07.01.2019, 18:40
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This could get very interesting later on this year.

Voters unlikely to accept EU deal: Swiss president
The Swiss president is of the SVP party so not surprising he says voters will not support the EU framework agreement. Having said that it will be an uphill fight to persuade the Swiss to accept EU laws on personal guns.
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What % do you expect those populist to get in the next EU parliament?
Of course it will look ugly if they get 25%+, but only if they get 1/3 of the votes will it start being an issue for the EU.
Do you really expect them to get 234 of the 701 seats?

If not, I don't see how this is relevant at all in this thread.
The EU will still demand from Switzerland to apply the agreed framework or be found in contempt and pay the consequences.
Not just populists but nationalists too.

I expect a significant number to be in the parliament, though they'll never have a majority. Certainly enough for the EU to think about the way it conducts its business, then again it's the EU so probably not.
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The EU will still demand from Switzerland to apply the agreed framework or be found in contempt and pay the consequences.
Then we should just tell the EU to go screw themselves and let THEM pay the consequences!

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The Swiss president is of the SVP party so not surprising he says voters will not support the EU framework agreement. Having said that it will be an uphill fight to persuade the Swiss to accept EU laws on personal guns.
Why do the Swiss need to gollow EU gun laws? And is it really worth the time and effort to persuade them? I really don’t understand why this seems to be such a trigger issue for the EU.
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Then we should just tell the EU to go screw themselves and let THEM pay the consequences!

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By all means, please do so.
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Not just populists but nationalists too.

I expect a significant number to be in the parliament, though they'll never have a majority. Certainly enough for the EU to think about the way it conducts its business, then again it's the EU so probably not.
All right, so can you elaborate how they are relevant in the context of this thread given that you agree that they will not form a majority in the next EU Parliament?
You brought them up so I am wondering if you expect them to act like a trojan horse for the Swiss side or something.
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The Swiss president is of the SVP party so not surprising he says voters will not support the EU framework agreement. Having said that it will be an uphill fight to persuade the Swiss to accept EU laws on personal guns.
Even a blind hen sometimes finds a grain of corn.

I think he's right, 60% No seems highly likely. Especially with the EU using the stock market equivalency as the proverbial gun to the Swiss head even though the requirements are clearly met.
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Then we should just tell the EU to go screw themselves and let THEM pay the consequences!

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And we might

Although that is not how we phrase our refusals
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By all means, please do so.
I will, and with much pleasure.

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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

According to "Kassensturtz" a Swiss who works/lives in an EU country pays old-age-insurance in that country (=ok). Once they go on pension, they get a some pension-money from that country. Which is - compared to the Swiss one - tiny.

The Swiss pension on the other hand will be cut for not having payed any AHV during the years abroad. The cut is more severe than the peanuts from the other country.

Now so far it is kind of logic. Right?

BUT: It is not possible - illegal - by that exact EU contract, for a Swiss who works/lives in an EU/EFTA state to privately pay the AHV minimum while abroad.
Part of the free movement contract which was made by - guess - the EU.

If a Swiss does the same in a non EU/EFTA state, they can choose to pay AHV-Minimalbeiträge during the time or up to five years after they left Switzerland.

While this clause in the EU-contract is beneficiary to EU-members it's crap for Swiss AND (what's much worse for a Swiss ) they don't even have a way around it by paying pension twice (at home and in the guest-country) which would be typical Swiss problem solving choice.

The Swiss governement is thinking about a way to solve that problem for it's nationals.

At the moment it's looks this for a Swiss:
If you go work abroad, don't do it in an EU country.
Our governement needs to find a way to "breach" the existing contracts just to keep things on Swiss-level for their own people .... why sign new ones just now?

A lot of people here watch "Kassensturtz". A lot of people now got information about something they would normally not think about. In a very "inconvenient" time.
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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

AfD wants Dexit within 5 years!


Would there be an EU without Germany?
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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

In my opinion the mistake of the EU is that they negotiate with the delegates, then send them home with:"That's it, no more negotiations".

With Switzerland this will never be successful as there is the Ständerat, the Nationalrat and the people who have to agree. The delegates are what they are: Delegates. So trying to be final with them is a strange, non-realistic and politically not intelligent way to do the job.

The same goes for GB. Mrs. May may be the present "boss" of the country but GB is not a dictatorship. What she negotiates can't be final.

Makes me wonder: If the EU needs to learn how to deal with democracies ....
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AfD wants Dexit within 5 years!


Would there be an EU without Germany?
German intelligence puts far-right AfD groups under surveillance

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Germany's Foreign Minister, Heiko Maas, said on Twitter: "People who discriminate against people because of their descent are racist and nationalist. Parts of the #AfD are cases for the constitution protection.
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