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View Poll Results: What should the Swiss government do in your opinion?
They should go ahead with introducing permit applications and quotas for EEA citizens 31 34.83%
They should introduce very high quotas for EEA nationals that in practice won't have any impact 15 16.85%
They should call for a new referendum on the EU-Swiss relationsip as a whole 19 21.35%
They should ignore 2014's referendum and not do anything 8 8.99%
I don't care, I got my C-permit or citizenship 16 17.98%
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Old 26.12.2017, 11:30
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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

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You have to pay for the right of Swiss companies to exploit Eastern Europe like German, Dutch and Danish companies do.
LOL. Let's say the billion would really go all to the Eastern EU-members (which it will not, wanna bet?) will they be able to do buiness with Switzerland for a billion plus profit margin? (Without profit margin it would just be an interest-free loan - yep, still better than what it is now).

However, as I said, that billion is not what bothers me. (A good way to get rid off all those Euros the SNB is sitting on?)

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You should get out of your High Swiss Castle from time to time and see that not all of the EU is f***ed, there are several countries with great strong economies.
Funny, if someone doesn't want to join someone else he/she is on a high horse. (It's horse by the way, not castle )



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Are you afraid that Switzerland would end up like Greece or Bulgaria?
I believe Switzerland would end up like Austria or the Netherlands.
I feel a bit like trying to be forced into marriage. Not afraid of anything, just don't want to marry "the guy", okay?

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Anyway, from my own personal point of view, the reasons why we want to force Switzerland to decide either a clear YES (in the EEA) or a clear NO (no Bilaterals, no nothing) are 2:....................
Ah! You see, that option EEA is no longer there. We ruined that big time in 1992. And that was Blocher. I lived in St. Gallen at that time and watched him being very active there - against EWR. It was devastating. We wouldn't have the problems we have now had we said yes to EWR back then. And many of us knew that then. In fact, if 23836 people (okay, 23837) would have been on holidays that day, everything would be different today.
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LOL. Let's say the billion would really go all to the Eastern EU-members (which it will not, wanna bet?) will they be able to do buiness with Switzerland for a billion plus profit margin? (Without profit margin it would just be an interest-free loan - yep, still better than what it is now).

However, as I said, that billion is not what bothers me. (A good way to get rid off all those Euros the SNB is sitting on?)



Funny, if someone doesn't want to join someone else he/she is on a high horse. (It's horse by the way, not castle )





I feel a bit like trying to be forced into marriage. Not afraid of anything, just don't want to marry "the guy", okay?



Ah! You see, that option EEA is no longer there. We ruined that big time in 1992. And that was Blocher. I lived in St. Gallen at that time and watched him being very active there - against EWR. It was devastating. We wouldn't have the problems we have now had we said yes to EWR back then. And many of us knew that then. In fact, if 23836 people (okay, 23837) would have been on holidays that day, everything would be different today.
1. EEA is still an absolutely possible option. It was specifically designed for small reluctant countries. It makes no sense for big countries like the UK IMO (that's another discussion) but it makes perfect sense for Switzerland.

2. I am against forcing any country to join any organization. My ideal scenario is that the EU cancels the Bilateral Agreements with some reasonable notice period of 2-5 years and asks the Swiss to decide if they want to join the EEA or continue trading with the EU on WTO terms.
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Old 26.12.2017, 15:10
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1. EEA is still an absolutely possible option. It was specifically designed for small reluctant countries. It makes no sense for big countries like the UK IMO (that's another discussion) but it makes perfect sense for Switzerland.

2. I am against forcing any country to join any organization. My ideal scenario is that the EU cancels the Bilateral Agreements with some reasonable notice period of 2-5 years and asks the Swiss to decide if they want to join the EEA or continue trading with the EU on WTO terms.
I would prefer to see how the WTO option works out for the UK before jumping into the unknown
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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

Regarding something that was written in the Brexit thread, why is it assumed that EEA is not an option for Switzerland anymore?
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why is it assumed that EEA is not an option for Switzerland anymore?
I would certainly vote against it.

Again.

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Regarding something that was written in the Brexit thread, why is it assumed that EEA is not an option for Switzerland anymore?
Question directed to Curley and anybody who has an answer.
It's a 25 year old "thing" between EFTA and EU. There are 4 countries left in EFTA - and they must speak with one voice. There is no benefit for Switzerland in joining it.

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I would certainly vote against it.

Again.

Tom
I would too. This time
And what's this talk about a frame agreement (Rahmenvertrag) ?
LOL, what is it with these control freaks?
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It's a 25 year old "thing" between EFTA and EU. There are 4 countries left in EFTA - and they must speak with one voice. There is no benefit for Switzerland in joining it.
Please check your facts or your post again.
Switzerland is in the EFTA.
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Please check your facts or your post again.
Switzerland is in the EFTA.
I know very well that Switzerland is in the EFTA, which is why I said there are 4 left in there
The fourth one is us - if you go counting
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Old 27.12.2017, 10:01
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Please check your facts or your post again.
Switzerland is in the EFTA.
Hmm, I wouldn't even dare to suggest such a thing on EF. People....just know.

But current EU, EEA or EFTA (discussions) aside - how do you think Swill politics will look like in 20-30 years from now? Or why not 10, 15 years from now? This is a serious question for people who raise their children here. I have reasons to trust the new generations, although just faith is not a guarantee for anything.

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I know very well that Switzerland is in the EFTA, which is why I said there are 4 left in there
The fourth one is us - if you go counting
The rest of your post does not make much sense then.
What is the relevance of "they (the 4) must speak with one voice" and what is the it in "there is no benefit for Switzerland in joining it"?
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Old 27.12.2017, 11:48
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The rest of your post does not make much sense then.
What is the relevance of "they (the 4) must speak with one voice" and what is the it in "there is no benefit for Switzerland in joining it"?
If we were part of EWR we would have to discuss/agree with the other three EFTA countries - then "speak with one voice" to EU. Then go back and discuss what ever the EU wants/says with the other three again, then ......

On top of that, I have not studied the current EWR agreement but I'm pretty sure it did not get better (from our point of view).

Last but not least, for me it's the same as with EU, I'm not interested to join any clubs of that type. We can talk, we can make contracts if there's a intelligent reason to do so and it would help if EU would stop mixing everything up but we got used to it.

I read Switzerland is the third on the list of business-partners with the EU after China and the US (and apparently they are equally friendly with both as they are with us LOL). So how much do they want to pay us for letting them access our market?

Anyway, we shall not agree on this. You want us in, most of us don't.
But as you dared to say in an earlier post that the Polish should leave the EU and the Greek are "small and obedient" therefore they can stay, let me say something politically incorrect: If the Germans drop out of the EU, I might think about it again
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If we were part of EWR we would have to discuss/agree with the other three EFTA countries - then "speak with one voice" to EU. Then go back and discuss what ever the EU wants/says with the other three again, then ......

On top of that, I have not studied the current EWR agreement but I'm pretty sure it did not get better (from our point of view).

Last but not least, for me it's the same as with EU, I'm not interested to join any clubs of that type. We can talk, we can make contracts if there's a intelligent reason to do so and it would help if EU would stop mixing everything up but we got used to it.

I read Switzerland is the third on the list of business-partners with the EU after China and the US (and apparently they are equally friendly with both as they are with us LOL). So how much do they want to pay us for letting them access our market?

Anyway, we shall not agree on this. You want us in, most of us don't.
But as you dared to say in an earlier post that the Polish should leave the EU and the Greek are "small and obedient" therefore they can stay, let me say something politically incorrect: If the Germans drop out of the EU, I might think about it again
Actually I don't necessarily want you in, but I want to cancel the Bileteral agreements and let you decide if you want to be in or out.
In this case by "in" I mean in the EEA, whereas "out" would mean back to WTO rules.
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Great, so we can vote no again, and again, and again, as these poilticians are all clearly mentally disabled!

Screw the EU!

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I couldn't agree more, the SVP is more than overdue to accept the repeated No's for their propositions as final.
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I couldn't agree more, the SVP is more than overdue to accept the repeated No's for their propositions as final.
Trolling the trolls (I mean the SVP, not the members of EF)?

The SVP actually won the vote on an incomplete question, because they only asked if the Swiss people want quotas for EU immigrants but failed to ask if they would still want the quotas if their introduction meant guillotine.
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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

Maybe they should just drop the guillotine - I can just see the picture of the mass exodus of Germans. Maybe the Polish will be sweet enough to take them too.


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Trolling the trolls (I mean the SVP, not the members of EF)?

The SVP actually won the vote on an incomplete question, because they only asked if the Swiss people want quotas for EU immigrants but failed to ask if they would still want the quotas if their introduction meant guillotine.
Of course they did, but that's beside the point. The point is the hypocrisy behind Tom's demand.

If one given vote has to be accepted as final the exact same applies to the others. In this case the half dozen or so on the matter before MEI was accepted, so by Tom's very own "logic" MEI could never have been launched and voted on in the first place.
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The SVP actually won the vote on an incomplete question, because they only asked if the Swiss people want quotas for EU immigrants but failed to ask if they would still want the quotas if their introduction meant guillotine.
They always do that. Not to mention (although this is the second time I mention it ) that this free movement thingy is not really a problem for CH.

As SVP is not constructively working on reining in the EU where Switzerland is concerned (but just making things more difficult by harping on about - racist? - subjects which have no realistic negative impact on CH) I'm really wondering what SVP REALLY wants?

They got only one subject in such a many-faceted world
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EU's Juncker urges Swiss to wrap up treaty talks
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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

Give Juncker some Swiss Gin and alcoholic as he is he will shut up.

And as for me personally he can go to hell with his demands, even if it would mean that the Swiss economics would see a bit of shrinking due to such. I'm willing to leave an extra beer for the freedom to keep a certain independence instead of being swallowed more and more by the undemocratic monster the EU has become.
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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

Swiss to remove limits on workers from Romania and Bulgaria
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/safegua...garia/44517526

Looks like the SVP will get mad!
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