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View Poll Results: What should the Swiss government do in your opinion?
They should go ahead with introducing permit applications and quotas for EEA citizens 31 34.83%
They should introduce very high quotas for EEA nationals that in practice won't have any impact 15 16.85%
They should call for a new referendum on the EU-Swiss relationsip as a whole 19 21.35%
They should ignore 2014's referendum and not do anything 8 8.99%
I don't care, I got my C-permit or citizenship 16 17.98%
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Old 21.07.2016, 16:30
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Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

The time is approaching when the Swiss government will have to respect the vote of the Swiss people in the 2014 referendum.

Given the Swiss government was and is against what the Swiss people voted for, and given the risk of losing access to the Single Market, what do you think the Swiss government should do?

Some relevant stuff to read:
EU tells Swiss no single market access if no free movement of citizens
Swiss Get EU Immigration Vote Do-Over Some Britons Hope for
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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

From what I read that referendum was so marginal it was a joke sth like 50.3% and participation was low because people didn't believe it would pass.

The decision itself is void, Switzerland cannot introduce quotas and stay in the EU so the referendum makes no sense.

My proposal is to make a referendum about whether Switzerland should keep the EU treaties and push for maximum participation. That is the right question.

If they push for quotas and get kicked out it will be unfair for all those who want to be in and were never asked. Also for those who wanted quotas but stay in EU.

They should finally raise the referendum limit to 500,000. It was ok to be 100k for the last century but as the population has grown so much they're calling referenda asked by a very small percentage of the population and will end up discrediting the whole thing.
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Old 21.07.2016, 18:54
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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

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The decision itself is void, Switzerland cannot introduce quotas and stay in the EU so the referendum makes no sense.
Clue, get one.

Switzerland is NOT in the EU.

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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

Tom you're the definition of the term 'old-fart', or more accurately a NIMBY. The guy who has it all nice and comfy and wants no one else to come here in his village and take it away.

Wow you corrected me that Switzerland is not in the EU, who would have known...because you didn't understand that I meant all the bilaterals and adoption of EU legislation right?

Nothing useful, nothing informative just a good old typical troll reply from you as always. Added to my ignore list along with Phos, you deserve to be next to each other.
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Tom you're the definition of the term 'old-fart', or more accurately a NIMBY. The guy who has it all nice and comfy and wants no one else to come here in his village and take it away.
Who, in their right mind, would?

Fact is, I've been anti EU since Maastricht, and one reason I became Swiss was to do my part to keep CH OUT!

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Wow you corrected me that Switzerland is not in the EU, who would have known...because you didn't understand that I meant all the bilaterals and adoption of EU legislation right?
That's NOT what you said, so that's NOT what one would understand.

Anyway, I'd be more than happy to kiss the bilaterals goodbye.

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Nothing useful, nothing informative just a good old typical troll reply from you as always. Added to my ignore list along with Phos, you deserve to be next to each other.
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Anyway, I'd be more than happy to kiss the bilaterals goodbye.
Me too.
I think that the Swiss-EU relationship is too complicated they way it is now.

Also, I would love to move back to Switzerland one day, and I would rather have to go through an emigration process but at least, when I am there find the Switzerland I love, instead of a place full of arrogant Europeans who don't respect the country that is hosting them (e.g. expecting to speak English at all times instead of making an effort to integrate).
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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

I agree that if the EU makes it clear that it does not wish to negotiate, the Swiss government should put the full question to a vote.
This is not undemocratic. The Swiss people can vote again if they want to stop free movement for EEA nationals, knowing the full consequences.
After all, I remember reading somewhere that what distinguishes the Swiss referendum rules from what happens in other parts of the world (e.g. California) is the fact that the people cannot vote whatever they want but it has to have been fully thought (e.g. while in California they can vote to cut taxes by 50%, in Switzerland they would have to add in the vote what expenses the government would have to cut from the budget).
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I agree that if the EU makes it clear that it does not wish to negotiate, the Swiss government should put the full question to a vote.
This is not undemocratic. The Swiss people can vote again if they want to stop free movement for EEA nationals, knowing the full consequences.
After all, I remember reading somewhere that what distinguishes the Swiss referendum rules from what happens in other parts of the world (e.g. California) is the fact that the people cannot vote whatever they want but it has to have been fully thought (e.g. while in California they can vote to cut taxes by 50%, in Switzerland they would have to add in the vote what expenses the government would have to cut from the budget).
The Swiss already know the full consequences. Am I the only one who realises that if the people of Switzerland really wanted to vote on this issue again there would have been popular initiatives for signing to try and get another referendum on the subject? Has this happened? No. Not once in the 3 years since the vote was taken. Why? Because that's what the Swiss people want. The Swiss people knew, the Swiss people voted, now the government has to implement their decision. End of story.
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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

Rumor has it that Swiss government is in most intense negotiations with Nicola Sturgeon, Theresa May, and the rest of Scotish and UK governments.

As you may already know, Scotland has gotten between hammer and anvil when the UK accepted Brexit, because the Scots want to stay in the EU. Knowing how hard-headed they can be, May is quite concerned and looking for an amicable solution, a way out if you will.

Switzerland on the other hand is completely surrounded by EU countries but doesn't want to join the club, a really awkward position for both which got even worsened not too long ago when Swiss government had to ask the EU to return their application to join them.

The obvious and completely logic solution to all those issues is that Switzerland should simply swap position with Scotland, they're a perfect match. EU would finally get rid of that alien spot in their midst, Scotland could stay in the EU, Switzerland would finally get rid of the permanent pressure to join, and England would get a much more powerful ally than Scotland could ever be.

What's more, because Switzerland already has 25% foreigners, the few the English want to get rid of could certainly get exported to us, repaint them if necessary to not induce more commotion than absolutely necessary, perhaps send some expats back in return.

So here you go:
Vote for the swap in the upcoming vote and all problems will be solved. Forever. Extragrosses Pfadfinderehrenwort.
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Rumor has it that Swiss government is in most intense negotiations with Nicola Sturgeon, Theresa May, and the rest of Scotish and UK governments.

As you may already know, Scotland has gotten between hammer and anvil when the UK accepted Brexit, because the Scots want to stay in the EU. Knowing how hard-headed they can be, May is quite concerned and looking for an amicable solution, a way out if you will.

Switzerland on the other hand is completely surrounded by EU countries but doesn't want to join the club, a really awkward position for both which got even worsened not too long ago when Swiss government had to ask the EU to return their application to join them.

The obvious and completely logic solution to all those issues is that Switzerland should simply swap position with Scotland, they're a perfect match. EU would finally get rid of that alien spot in their midst, Scotland could stay in the EU, Switzerland would finally get rid of the permanent pressure to join, and England would get a much more powerful ally than Scotland could ever be.

What's more, because Switzerland already has 25% foreigners, the few the English want to get rid of could certainly get exported to us, repaint them if necessary to not induce more commotion than absolutely necessary, perhaps send some expats back in return.

So here you go:
Vote for the swap in the upcoming vote and all problems will be solved. Forever. Extragrosses Pfadfinderehrenwort.

England should ^re-join EFTA and Scotland ahould become the KINGDOM OF SCOTLAND and join the EU
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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

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The time is approaching when the Swiss government will have to respect the vote of the Swiss people in the 2014 referendum.

Given the Swiss government was and is against what the Swiss people voted for, and given the risk of losing access to the Single Market, what do you think the Swiss government should do?

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The Swiss, as long time and strong proponents of direct democracy, have an important message here to give the British in the face of the BRexit vote.
1. Ensure that strong weight is given, and is seen to be given, to the direct democratic process, and the more inconsequential the matters delegated back to the voting public are, the stronger is the weight that should be given to them.
2. If anything of importance does accidentally slip through, attempt to ignore it or delay it through endless discussions until it is no longer of relevance.
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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

Slightly relevant (20 minutes, so apologies for the journalistic quality):
L'UDC dit non à l'accord-cadre Suisse-UE
(UDC says not to the framework agreement with the EU)

My question is: what new framework agreement is this? The article mentions some new bilaterals being discussed. I did not even know there were discussions about more bilaterals.
I googled a bit and I couldn't find anything.
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My question is: what new framework agreement is this?
I googled a bit and I couldn't find anything.
Simplified answer: following the evolutions of EU law and regulations in order for Switzerland not to loose access to the single market de facto when the regulations stated in the bilaterals do not correspond anymore. But the actual answer is more complex.

My google hunt might help a little (in French):
http://www.horizons-et-debats.ch/ind...t=1&no_cache=1
https://www.parlament.ch/fr/ratsbetr...airId=20135428
https://www.unige.ch/gsi/files/6914/...spiarovich.pdf

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Simplified answer: following the evolutions of EU law and regulations in order for Switzerland not to loose access to the single market de facto when the regulations stated in the bilaterals do not correspond anymore. But the actual answer is more complex.

My google hunt might help a little (in French):
http://www.horizons-et-debats.ch/ind...t=1&no_cache=1
https://www.parlament.ch/fr/ratsbetr...airId=20135428
https://www.unige.ch/gsi/files/6914/...spiarovich.pdf
Interesting, thanks.
I only searched in English for new biletarals and the existing bilaterals were dominating the results. There is this in English though: http://www.euractiv.com/section/glob...ral-relations/

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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

Do you know exactly what will change for EU nationals with this change in the legislation? I am a bit confused about it.
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Re: Freedom of Movement for EU nationals: should the Swiss bend the knee?

EU and Switzerland to reopen trade and political talks

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The EU and Switzerland agreed today to reopen talks on upgrading trade and political ties, following Bern’s retreat last year on a controversial immigration quota that highlighted the difficulties Britain will face over Brexit.
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What is this about?
More biletarerals? A successor to the bilaterals?
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EU and Switzerland to reopen trade and political talks


What is this about?
More biletarerals? A successor to the bilaterals?
It is a complicated business.
Overall, around 100 bilateral agreements currently exist between the EU and Switzerland.

There is always room for more
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EU and Switzerland to reopen trade and political talks


What is this about?
More biletarerals? A successor to the bilaterals?
Looks like it (German). They want our money for the Eastern EU countries .... we - for reasons I don't understand - seem to want to export electricity to the EU?!
Plus .... plus .... plus .... a lot of work for the SVP ahead, it seems
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