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Hillary - How about a lifetime of being involved in law making as an ex-secretary of the USA, ex-US senator, ex-First Lady, one of only two female law professors when she lived in Arkansas?
What does being SOS, First-Lady, or a lawyer have to do with law making?

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Re: Will Hillary Clinton run for president again?

Given how much Obama has aged while in office, who is still much younger than Hillary, it might be a blessing in disguise for her not to have to go through the stress of being president. Trump's life could be significantly shortened by his time in office.
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Given how much Obama has aged while in office, who is still much younger than Hillary, it might be a blessing in disguise for her not to have to go through the stress of being president. Trump's life could be significantly shortened by his time in office.
And that's if someone doesn't shoot him first. I hope not, as that will leave us with Pence, a man who has all sorts of odd beliefs.
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She'll be 73. That might be a bit too old to stand for office.
Sanders is 75, how many people raised concerns over his age? And as you certainly know, life expectancy for women is multiple years more than for men.
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Many instances of collusion in many forms. Donna Brazile apparently sent more debate questions than initially known. "Journalists" were said to even send articles to Palmiere for edits and approval. Source are the wikileaks.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10549/...igiacomo#modal
Yaaaawn, a sack or rice fell over in China.

It's commonplace for the interviewer and interviewee to agree on a questionnaire beforehand. Whether that includes questions provided by the interviewee is obviously subject to the individual, his/her staff.

And btw, a self-referencing tabloid is not a reliable source. You might as well cite an individual blog next time, or none at all.
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Yaaaawn, a sack or rice fell over in China.

It's commonplace for the interviewer and interviewee to agree on a questionnaire beforehand. Whether that includes questions provided by the interviewee is obviously subject to the individual, his/her staff.

And btw, a self-referencing tabloid is not a reliable source. You might as well cite an individual blog next time, or none at all.
That was CNN asking the Democrats what to ask Republican candidates in an interview. That was from leaked email on wikileaks. There were many more that revealed the pattern of media collusion. I dunno, clearly unethical to pretend to be unbiased journalism. Something one would not expect in our institutions. Perhaps normal practice for yours or the DDR or something.
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Re: Will Hillary Clinton run for president again?

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And that's if someone doesn't shoot him first. I hope not, as that will leave us with Pence, a man who has all sorts of odd beliefs.
Actually, it was my view before the election that if Hillary got elected, some nutter would shoot her in the first six months, and if Trump got elected, he'd get impeached in the same timeframe. The anti-Trump folks aren't the ones with the guns.
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Actually, it was my view before the election that if Hillary got elected, some nutter would shoot her in the first six months, and if Trump got elected, he'd get impeached in the same timeframe. The anti-Trump folks aren't the ones with the guns.
Good point. Of course Reagan was shot by a deeply disturbed man. At any rate, I fear that Pence is far worse than Trump.
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That was CNN asking the Democrats what to ask Republican candidates in an interview. That was from leaked email on wikileaks. There were many more that revealed the pattern of media collusion. I dunno, clearly unethical to pretend to be unbiased journalism. Something one would not expect in our institutions. Perhaps normal practice for yours or the DDR or something.
Everybody, including news outltets, is biased. That's why some prefer CNN over MSNBC, or Fox over xyz.

Now show me where CNN says they're neutral and unbiased.
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Everybody, including news outltets, is biased. That's why some prefer CNN over MSNBC, or Fox over xyz.

Now show me where CNN says they're neutral and unbiased.
Therein lies the problem with its "journalistic" credibility. Not much difference in virtue from Pravda and RT.

CNN is merely a technical platform for delivering franchised content. It is a propaganda platform.
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Everybody, including news outltets, is biased. That's why some prefer CNN over MSNBC, or Fox over xyz.

Now show me where CNN says they're neutral and unbiased.
Exactly. And then there's false equivalency where if you say something negative about A then you have to find something negative about B and make them appear of equal weight.

No one is unbiased. And we're all influenced by the frame, how the information is presented, the details, the negativity etc etc etc. You just have to look around.

Even wikileaks is biased to the extent that it meters out content and the leader has a particular axe to grind.
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Re: Will Hillary Clinton run for president again?

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Exactly. And then there's false equivalency where if you say something negative about A then you have to find something negative about B and make them appear of equal weight.

No one is unbiased. And we're all influenced by the frame, how the information is presented, the details, the negativity etc etc etc. You just have to look around.

Even wikileaks is biased to the extent that it meters out content and the leader has a particular axe to grind.
Good journalism attempts to be unbiased. Take a look at Huffpost and you'll realise they were blatantly biased. That's the difference.
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Re: Will Hillary Clinton run for president again?

Corporate media backed a corporate stooge and it failed miserably, a success on both counts in the bigger picture. Opting for the unknown loon over the established loon speaks volumes about the disdain for political status quo.


If a Trump win means the electorate will become more involved in the process rather than simply showing up every 4 years to exercise their democratic rights, that too is a win...however, I am skeptical


Wake up call to course correct has been long overdue, hope we never see or hear from the Clintons again
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Good journalism attempts to be unbiased. Take a look at Huffpost and you'll realise they were blatantly biased. That's the difference.
Yes, of course.

There is reporting and editorial. Reporting is no longer sexy, exciting, although even in reporting you can change the frame and make the story "pop" as it were. For example, you can report deaths versus lives saves, or you can report a simple won versus loss scenario versus a profile. These things matter for interpretation.
You can change the takeaway message from by just altering a headline and lead paragraph, even on the internet.

Repetition of a fact, even if false increases the perception of truth.


And then, in post truth society, the lines between editorial and reporting blur.


And of course, what you're referring to is outright bias. And I think sometimes false equivalence is used here to soften or harden the blow - I report this awful thing but then I equate it to something else the other side did that's either more (or less serious).


I don't read HuffPo all that much, but I'm sure they are biased. You can find plenty of right and left biases in the world.

I once published a paper about how the media report mental illnesses - I should go back and reread my own work.
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Good journalism attempts to be unbiased.
Yes, that's the key. But even then you would see different stories on the exact same event on Tagesanzeiger and NZZ (though I must say the former seems only a shadow of itself, I'm just not sure if that's because of the paper or me having changed/changing).

Investigative journalism is no longer hip. Presenting the full story doesn't sell, and readers expect to not pay any longer so the media can no longer fund the necessary resources.
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Re: Will Hillary Clinton run for president again?

Chelsea may run for Congress.

The Clinton Influence Network is on life-support. Will Chelsea be able to keep it limping along for a few more decades?
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Re: Will Hillary Clinton run for president again?

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She'll be 73. That might be a bit too old to stand for office.
And Trump is 70 - the oldest president yet! A full year older than the next olderst - Reagan. What does three years difference make?


Not that I think Hillary will run again.
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I would like to make my first poll, but not sure how to do this.

Will Hillary Clinton run for president again?
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And Trump is 70 - the oldest president yet! A full year older than the next olderst - Reagan. What does three years difference make?


Not that I think Hillary will run again.
It says a lot about not only the quality of Trump's hair dye but also his immaturity that it seems impossible to believe that the man is really that old.
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What does being SOS, First-Lady, or a lawyer have to do with law making?

Tom
There might not have been many Secretaries of State recently elected President (the last one, in my opinion, was the worst POTUS), but before Andrew Jackson's election there were a LOT of former SOS who went on to the White House. So I'd say that being a high-level Cabinet member is a big qualification for becoming President. I don't think that she would run, but would you have any problem with Condaleeza Rice becoming President?
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