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Re: Will Hillary Clinton run for president again?

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If you didn't think there was celebrating after the defeat of Jeb "Please Clap" Bush in the right-wing rank and file, you weren't paying attention.
Not the point at all.
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I don't want to take anything away from the women who HAVE been elected President of Switzerland, but that isn't exactly the equivalent of POTUS, is it? Am I right in assuming it's more of a ceremonial role which takes the place of the British monarch in a parliamentary system?

(That's a guess of mine. I have NOT checked the Swiss constitution.)
Indeed, the Bundespräsident has no additional powers, his role is representative only. But that's far from comparable to the British monarch, the latter has significant powers even though they're rarely used.
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Old 25.11.2016, 20:09
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Re: Will Hillary Clinton run for president again?

She may not have to.
#Audit the vote
Results due before Dec 13th.
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Old 25.11.2016, 20:18
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She may not have to.
#Audit the vote
Results due before Dec 13th.
And she'll still have lost.
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Old 25.11.2016, 20:26
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She may not have to.
#Audit the vote
Results due before Dec 13th.
As far as I'm aware, she has not requested a recount, and the deadline is today.
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Old 25.11.2016, 20:49
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As far as I'm aware, she has not requested a recount, and the deadline is today.
HRC hasn't, but Stein has already notified the WI Elections Commission of her intent to request the recount. She's raised $4.5 million in just a few days to cover the costs. An impressive feat.

ETA - Agree with Corbets that the overall outcome won't change.

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Old 25.11.2016, 22:39
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HRC hasn't, but Stein has already notified the WI Elections Commission of her intent to request the recount. She's raised $4.5 million in just a few days to cover the costs. An impressive feat.

ETA - Agree with Corbets that the overall outcome won't change.
I'm looking forward to the day when you will all have to eat your hats.

http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

This makes for interesting reading, and the Guardian has highly recommended this man's investigations.
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...and the Guardian has highly recommended this man's investigations.
Stop everything people! The Guardian has highly recommended this man's investigations!

Right below this important story:

The ‘tears of joy’ emoji is the worst of all – it’s used to gloat about human suffering
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Old 25.11.2016, 23:21
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I'm looking forward to the day when you will all have to eat your hats.

http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

This makes for interesting reading, and the Guardian has highly recommended this man's investigations.
Now that's a different issue from the recounts, and frankly I'm disappointed it hasn't received much attention.

In addition to these purges (many of which I think were unlawful) there hasn't been much discussion about the "success" of the voter suppression laws that were passed across the country since the 2012 election. Examples are more strict photo ID requirements, reducing early voting days, and eliminating same-day registration.

I don't think I'll eat my hat on WI. I think Trump won it based on the votes cast and the recount will show that. However - I do think the changes in the laws there suppressed turnout in urban areas, which tend to vote D. And I think the votes for Stein and Johnson made a difference in the overall result.
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Old 25.11.2016, 23:35
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Re: Will Hillary Clinton run for president again?

You put them all together, "caging", "purging", "padding" and plain old switching, and I think we will be seeing significantly altered results before the electoral college gets to vote.

Q. If the audit/recount takes longer than expected in WI, MI and PA, then will the electoral college vote be postponed?

And how does FL rank in all of this, with Ken Detzner allegedly so close to DT and the Reps. A petition is out there urging for a recount, but Stein can't request it, as it has to come from him. That's hardly likely, is it?

And yet FL was probably off as well, if you look at the polls (people are now saying that at least the exit polls usually have a high degree of accuracy).

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Now that's a different issue from the recounts, and frankly I'm disappointed it hasn't received much attention.

In addition to these purges (many of which I think were unlawful) there hasn't been much discussion about the "success" of the voter suppression laws that were passed across the country since the 2012 election. Examples are more strict photo ID requirements, reducing early voting days, and eliminating same-day registration.

I don't think I'll eat my hat on WI. I think Trump won it based on the votes cast and the recount will show that. However - I do think the changes in the laws there suppressed turnout in urban areas, which tend to vote D. And I think the votes for Stein and Johnson made a difference in the overall result.
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Old 25.11.2016, 23:56
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...Q. If the audit/recount takes longer than expected in WI, MI and PA, then will the electoral college vote be postponed?

And how does FL rank in all of this, with Ken Detzner allegedly so close to DT and the Reps. A petition is out there urging for a recount, but Stein can't request it, as it has to come from him. That's hardly likely, is it?
If we go by the precedent set by the Supreme Court in Florida 2000, no the Electoral College vote would not be postponed. Source for the quote below:
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Under federal law (3 U.S. Code § 5) known as the safe harbor provision, a state must determine its electors six days before the Electoral College members meet in person. In 2016, that deadline is December 13, since the college votes on December 19. Back in 2000, a deeply divided Supreme Court, in a 5-4 vote, wouldn’t allow an extension of the safe harbor deadline proposed by Justice Stephen Breyer in the specific case of Florida’s recount.
Regarding Florida, it looks like any number of individuals could file but the cost would be the big deterrent. Relevant statute here.

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Update - the WI Elections Commission has received the formal request for recount from Stein. http://www.channel3000.com/news/poli...riday/42613848

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Old 26.11.2016, 00:16
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Re: Will Hillary Clinton run for president again?

Will we hear more about Hilarious then?

Trump election: Request for Wisconsin vote recount sent
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38112752
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Old 26.11.2016, 00:19
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Will we hear more about Hilarious then?

Trump election: Request for Wisconsin vote recount sent
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38112752
Is there an echo here?

Yes, we'll hear more about Hillary but we'll also hear a lot more about Stein. Whether this is about HRC or not, Stein has made a move to get herself and the Green Party into the limelight for at least a few minutes.

For her part, I don't think Hillary will comment much. She's already conceded so she'll let others fight the uphill battle.
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Old 26.11.2016, 00:31
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Is there an echo here?

Yes, we'll hear more about Hillary but we'll also hear a lot more about Stein. Whether this is about HRC or not, Stein has made a move to get herself and the Green Party into the limelight for at least a few minutes.

For her part, I don't think Hillary will comment much. She's already conceded so she'll let others fight the uphill battle.
News out there is that she has rested, is girding her loins, and waiting to see if there is a swell of support to take this up and run with it (in which case, the increase in calls upon her to state her intentions is certainly indicative that battle-weary Dems are not quite done yet).

Where did I read that Stein couldn't campaign to have FL recount? Certainly there is money out there now ($5.2m so far, so enough to file in WI, MI and PA and still some left over). Yes, lawyers fees will eat through the amount in no time.
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HRC hasn't, but Stein has already notified the WI Elections Commission of her intent to request the recount. She's raised $4.5 million in just a few days to cover the costs. An impressive feat.
During the whole campaign total money donated for H. Clinton cause was... 1.3 B.
4.5M is a rounding error in comparison.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...paign-finance/

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Re: Will Hillary Clinton run for president again?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrode...putins-russia/

The writing was on the wall in Dec 2015!

Do check out the photo though, I think I've found what they have in common.
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Old 27.11.2016, 02:56
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Re: Will Hillary Clinton run for president again?

Audit function switched off in Ohio, no explanation given.

Read this:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/vote-ma...-worse/5556029
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Old 28.11.2016, 12:08
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HRC hasn't, but Stein has already notified the WI Elections Commission of her intent to request the recount. She's raised $4.5 million in just a few days to cover the costs. An impressive feat.

ETA - Agree with Corbets that the overall outcome won't change.
What games does Stein think she's playing?

She got 1% of the vote. Does she think a recount will change that to 51%

Or if she is doing it to help Hillary, why didn't she withdraw her own candidature before the election and ask her supporters to vote Hillary?
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Old 28.11.2016, 15:38
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What games does Stein think she's playing?

She got 1% of the vote. Does she think a recount will change that to 51%

Or if she is doing it to help Hillary, why didn't she withdraw her own candidature before the election and ask her supporters to vote Hillary?
A few leading theories for me:
1 - Lots of publicity for herself and the Green Party
2 - Covert operation so HRC doesn't look bad making the request herself but is instead "cooperating"
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Old 28.11.2016, 15:47
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A few leading theories for me:
1 - Lots of publicity for herself and the Green Party
This could easily backfire. If she's trying to position the Green party as a credible alternative to the Dems, serving their purposes so bluntly only makes her look like their stooge.

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This could easily backfire. If she's trying to position the Green party as a credible alternative to the Dems, serving their purposes so bluntly only makes her look like their stooge.
The green party has such low recognition, I think anything might help them. However, what they really need to do is to get involved in local politics.
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